When one searches to find the causes for America's rapid deterioration, there is no shortage of suspects. However, my thirty-plus years experience as a pastor, counselor, and researcher has convinced me that there is no greater threat to America's future survival than the overall negative effect that modern-day feminism has had, and is having, upon our homes and churches. In just over three decades, the feminist movement has completely uprooted and rewritten the norm for American family life. No longer are women seen as nurturers and helpmeets. The push for "equality" has done much more than move America's women from the kitchen to the boardroom; it has moved them from under the arm and next to the side of their husbands to, in many cases, a place of independence from, and lordship over, them. Wives and mothers today seem to take pride in their ability to "control" their husbands. At the same time, however, they seem to be oblivious to the fact that they have absolutely no control over their children. But neither will they allow their husbands (or anyone else) to discipline their children. As a result, today's kids are growing up mostly undisciplined, unrestrained, and uncontrollable. Ask any teacher, Sunday School teacher, coach, or youth worker, and they will tell you the same thing: today's children are out of control! Many people have far more control over their pets than they do their own children. Sadder still is the fact that the only answer anyone seems inclined to proffer is to put these kids on behavior modification drugs, which, as almost anyone knows, only exacerbates the problem. The problem with most children is not an inability to sit still and learn; it is the inability of parents to make their children sit still and learn. When it comes to making children mind, many parents today seem to be absolutely and totally helpless. I have never seen anything like it. Please don't misunderstand me. I am not one who believes that all of our marital and family problems are due to women working outside the home. I don't believe that at all. However, I do believe that any couple that places their personal careers or ambitions above their primary responsibility to raise respectable, honest, obedient children is not only failing their children; they are failing our country. Selfish, materialistic, egocentric children do not make good citizens. They don't make good employees, good policemen, good teachers, good judges, good pastors, good congressmen, good physicians, or good role models. In fact, they don't make good anythings. Ever since our politically correct society decided that America's fathers and husbands were no longer qualified to be the heads of their families, our society has fallen into chaos. America's dads are reduced to being the butt end of every comedian's joke, the fall guy in every sitcom, and the stupid buffoon in every television commercial. However, it does not matter what Gloria Steinem and her feminist friends think about it, there is an established natural order for healthy, productive family life. Man has a natural headship responsibility to both his family and his community. When men surrender this responsibility, or when women wrestle it away from them, the entire family and social structures collapse. And that is exactly what is currently happening. http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20070323.html Is there a certain ethnic group which has been at the forefront of creating and promoting the scourge of feminism? What was the ethnicity of many of the best known feminists? What ethnic group dominates the mass media - television and movies in particular - which has widely touted feminism? Does that ethnic group have a history of hostility to traditional American culture and values? More here http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books-Preface.html
Topaz wrote: > Feminism Destroying America > by Chuck Baldwin > > March 23, 2007 > > When one searches to find the causes for America's rapid > deterioration, there is no shortage of suspects.
What "rapid deterioration"?
> In just over three decades, the feminist movement has completely > uprooted and rewritten the norm for American family life. No longer > are women seen as nurturers and helpmates. (your spelling corrected)
No, they are just no longer seen a subservient and weak.
The push for "equality" has > done much more than move America's women from the kitchen to the > boardroom; it has moved them from under the arm and next to the side > of their husbands to, in many cases, a place of independence from, and > lordship over, them. > Wives and mothers today seem to take pride in their ability to > "control" their husbands.
Total BS that is too obvious to have to refute.
At the same time, however, they seem to be > oblivious to the fact that they have absolutely no control over their > children. But neither will they allow their husbands (or anyone else) > to discipline their children. As a result, today's kids are growing up > mostly undisciplined, unrestrained, and uncontrollable. > Ask any teacher, Sunday School teacher, coach, or youth worker, and > they will tell you the same thing: today's children are out of > control!
Simplistic, but lets say there are many undiciplined children causing trouble... What ever reasons for children being "out of control" have nothing to do with feminism. Where is his link?
Many people have far more control over their pets than they > do their own children.
Pets are easy to control.
> Sadder still is the fact that the only answer anyone seems inclined to > proffer is to put these kids on behavior modification drugs, which, as > almost anyone knows, only exacerbates the problem. The problem with > most children is not an inability to sit still and learn; it is the > inability of parents to make their children sit still and learn.
There may be lack of discipline in some cases, but illnesses like ADD are real and medically proven.
> Please don't misunderstand me. I am not one who believes that all of > our marital and family problems are due to women working outside the > home. I don't believe that at all.
Topaz does...
However, I do believe that any > couple that places their personal careers or ambitions above their > primary responsibility to raise respectable, honest, obedient children > is not only failing their children; they are failing our country.
Most parents have to work because of the cost of living. It is a necessity, not always a choice.
> Selfish, materialistic, egocentric children do not make good citizens. > They don't make good employees, good policemen, good teachers, good > judges, good pastors, good congressmen, good physicians, or good role > models. In fact, they don't make good anythings.
If there are children like that, they are usually in rich or upper-middle class families. Poor families don't get to experience that materialism. This is a problem caused by capitalism, not feminism.
> Ever since our politically correct society decided that America's > fathers and husbands were no longer qualified to be the heads of their > families, our society has fallen into chaos. America's dads are > reduced to being the butt end of every comedian's joke, the fall guy > in every sitcom, and the stupid buffoon in every television > commercial.
There does seem to be a lot of this. But is this feminism or reverse-chauvinism? True feminists believe in equality and mutual respect between couples. Just because some women did not get the concept right does not mean feminism is a bad idea. Few women today would call themselves feminists btw.
> However, it does not matter what Gloria Steinem and her feminist > friends think about it, there is an established natural order for > healthy, productive family life. Man has a natural headship > responsibility to both his family and his community.
Natural, or forced upon women by force back in ancient times?
When men > surrender this responsibility, or when women wrestle it away from > them, the entire family and social structures collapse. And that is > exactly what is currently happening.
So Topaz, this guy agrees with me when I told you before that men have an equal responsibility to raise children and you said no, it is women's responsibility to do it while men should have the jobs and earn the money. It is you who think men should not have to raise the children along with their partners.
Topaz
2007-03-26 20:55:38 EST
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:56:40 -0700, Tim Howard <*d@suddenlink.net> wrote:
> >What "rapid deterioration"?
"Notice to all Men, wake up and smell the Coffee.. *The government has pressured most large organizations into giving women preferences in hiring and promotions. *Men and Boys are being driven out of the University's, Public Schools, which have been re-designed solely for girls' way of learning. And Men are starting to avoid college because of the hostile feminist climate. So women are moving ahead of men in getting advanced degrees. More promotions for women. *The IRS code provides at least six subsidies encouraging women to divorce their husbands when the excitement wears off. (Around three-quarters of divorces are initiated by women.) This has destroyed the Family as we know it. *Family courts (under the legislature's standards) routinely deprive fathers of their children. When the Courts say Fathers have no Rights, Furthermore, the courts normally refuse to enforce even minimal visitation rights when mothers prevent fathers from seeing the children, and refuse to do anything to stop false Allegations. *Family violence protective orders are widely used to get fathers out of the house so that women can get sole custody more easily, all based on false information and again false Allegations, because the laws want it that way. *Court-ordered payments to ex-wives are exorbitant, typically one-third or more of a father's take-home pay. (My own son was ordered to pay almost two-thirds of the income from his first, low-paying job.) *Courts often refuse to lower so-called child-support amounts when fathers' income drops. When fathers become delinquent, they are publicly smeared as "deadbeats," and often jailed. In fact, the Bradley Amendment prohibits any reduction in "child-support" arrears, even if the father is totally disabled, So men's suicide has rising even more so, because that is the goal of the Feminist to keep men beaten down. *Courts order men to pay "child support" even when the children aren't theirs. And this may be a far-from isolated problem in an age where DNA-testing companies say that up to one-third of all children are not sired by the man named by the mother, but at the same time mothers can refuse fathers the right to have fathers names on the birth certificate, which is back up by the courts. *.. Men are often arrested when neighbors, or a ex-wife or girlfriend calls the police, regardless of the evidence at the scene when officers arrive, because that is what the police have to do, when the laws of the Country state them to do just that. We are living in a New Age, where a New Order has been put in place on Men, Children, all for the Sake of Money, and Radical man hating Feminism. Stand up Men and say "No more", this has to stop." Baze
> >No, they are just no longer seen a subservient and weak.
The leftists who rule America are for having a unisex country and for fighting "sexism". This should be replaced by a nation that is for manhood and womenhood. Not only are the sexes different, but the reason we are attracted to the opposite sex is precisely because they are different.
In 1852 Emma Snodgrass was arrested in Boston for wearing pants. Today women are allowed to be policemen and soldiers. Men don't need to be protected by female policemen. We don't have to have the kind of society we have now. The government, and the media, and the schools, may all be leftist enemies, but their ways are so contrary to human nature that it can be changed.
The two main forces that reject the unisex society are religion and nationalism. There certainly wasn't much feminism going on in a Muslim country like Afganistan. And it is no coincidence that the USA bombed Afganistan. The USA and its masters the Jews are the enemy and that is the first thing we need to be clear about if we are going to change things. There were also Nationalist countries that were also bombed by the USA and the other leftists. The media will tell us how terrible they say these countries were. We must always remember that the media is the enemy and they are the ones pushing unisex culture on us.
Feminism is something we must always fight against. But a normal man who considers women his enemy must eventually go mad. Feminism may be a major symptom of what is wrong with this country but it is only a symptom. The Jewish control of the media and society is the disease. And feminism is Jewish:
Gloria Steinem was a Jew. Bella Abzug was a Jew. Betty Friedan was a Jew.
"THE JEWISH 100: A Ranking Of the Most Influential Jews Of All Time" By Michael Shaprio
# 56 Betty Friedan (b. 1921)
Born Betty Naomi Goldstein to Harry and Miriam (Horowitz) Goldstein in Peoria, Illinois, educated at Smith College, married in 1947 to Carl Friedan, the mother of three children, divorced in 1969, activist, best-selling author, professor, a founder of the National Organization for Women (NOW), the National Women's Political Caucus, and the First Women's Bank, researcher, journalist, Democrat, clinical psychologist, and grandmother, Betty Friedan was the most influential feminist of the postwar era. Deemed by Marilyn French and others as an "initiator of the 'second wave' of feminism, " Friedan's writings and lectures, including the highly influential books THE FEMININE MYSTIQUE and THE SECOND STAGE, synthesized women's views on what equality meant and how to live and work... When the war against fascism ended two decades later, four million women lost their jobs to returning GIs. Women were again told that their place was in the home. The freedom to work to build up and defend their nation was over. Men would earn the family's bread. What the boys needed was a warm place to come home to every night. Ironically, American soldiers had accepted some of the values toward women (Kinder, Kuche, Kirche - children, kitchen, church) as the Nazis they thought they had defeated...
>Total BS that is too obvious to have to refute. >
>Simplistic, but lets say there are many undiciplined children causing >trouble... What ever reasons for children being "out of control" have >nothing to do with feminism. Where is his link? > > >Pets are easy to control. > >There may be lack of discipline in some cases, but illnesses like ADD >are real and medically proven. > > >Topaz does... > >Most parents have to work because of the cost of living. It is a >necessity, not always a choice.
Due to Jewry.
> >If there are children like that, they are usually in rich or >upper-middle class families. Poor families don't get to experience that >materialism. This is a problem caused by capitalism, not feminism. > > >There does seem to be a lot of this. But is this feminism or >reverse-chauvinism? True feminists believe in equality and mutual >respect between couples. Just because some women did not get the >concept right does not mean feminism is a bad idea. Few women today >would call themselves feminists btw. > > >Natural, or forced upon women by force back in ancient times? > > >So Topaz, this guy agrees with me when I told you before that men have >an equal responsibility to raise children and you said no, it is women's >responsibility to do it while men should have the jobs and earn the >money. It is you who think men should not have to raise the children >along with their partners.
"Father" should not be a paid occupation, but "Mother" should be. I'm sure he did not mean that fathers should stay at home.
> "Notice to all Men, wake up and smell the Coffee.. > *The government has pressured most large organizations into giving > women preferences in hiring and promotions.
The Government does not enforce civil rights laws nearly as much now as years ago. The decline in the Justice Dept. persuing civil rights cases like racial and gender discrimination started declining in the *Clinton* years. If there is any "pressure" it is not to give "preferences" so much is it following civil rights laws that prohibit discrimination. The trouble with you sexists is that you have the false premise that in the olden days that all those men who got promotions were the most qualified, and so, if the % of men in those positions goes down at all, it must be because of evil leftists and feminists pulling the strings.
> *Men and Boys are being driven out of the University's, Public > Schools, which have been re-designed solely for girls' way of > learning. And Men are starting to avoid college because of the hostile > feminist climate. So women are moving ahead of men in getting advanced > degrees.
Again, are the schools being designed totally for woman, or is their design just changing to accomodate woman as well as men? Are women getting degrees unfairly, or just because they are given an equal chance?
> *The IRS code provides at least six subsidies encouraging women to > divorce their husbands when the excitement wears off. (Around > three-quarters of divorces are initiated by women.) This has destroyed > the Family as we know it.
List me those subsidies and how they deliberately target men.
> *Family courts (under the legislature's standards) routinely deprive > fathers of their children. When the Courts say Fathers have no Rights,
If this was going on for a period of time, it is changing. Joint custody is the norm now, and mothers don't always automatically get full custody, if the man wants to be a part of his children's lives.
> Furthermore, the courts normally refuse to enforce even minimal > visitation rights when mothers prevent fathers from seeing the > children, and refuse to do anything to stop false Allegations.
Show me the stats.
> *Family violence protective orders are widely used to get fathers out > of the house so that women can get sole custody more easily, all based > on false information and again false Allegations, because the laws > want it that way.
That is a rather sweeping generalization. You say there are not abusive husbands?
*Court-ordered payments to ex-wives are exorbitant, > typically one-third or more of a father's take-home pay. (My own son > was ordered to pay almost two-thirds of the income from his first, > low-paying job.)
You quote so many others I cannot always tell if these are your words or someone elses. In most states, few women get spousal support and you know it! I do not claim, from what I know, that all spousal and child support is fair. Nothing is perfect.
*Courts often refuse to lower so-called child-support > amounts when fathers' income drops. When fathers become delinquent, > they are publicly smeared as "deadbeats," and often jailed.
That is rare.
In fact, > the Bradley Amendment prohibits any reduction in "child-support" > arrears, even if the father is totally disabled,
But not new child support...and good luck to those mothers trying to collect.
So men's suicide has > rising even more so, because that is the goal of the Feminist to keep > men beaten down.
Again, show me your stats!
> *Courts order men to pay "child support" even when the children aren't > theirs. And this may be a far-from isolated problem in an age where > DNA-testing companies say that up to one-third of all children are not > sired by the man named by the mother, but at the same time mothers can > refuse fathers the right to have fathers names on the birth > certificate, which is back up by the courts.
Those two issues are not connected. But re: the first one--this happens sometimes when a man has been living in the home helping support the family. So he becomes like their father.
> *.. Men are often arrested when neighbors, or a ex-wife or girlfriend > calls the police, regardless of the evidence at the scene when > officers arrive, because that is what the police have to do, when the > laws of the Country state them to do just that.
Police need to see evidence in every one of those laws that I have heard of. Show me the text of a state leglislation that says what you have described.
> The leftists who rule America are for having a unisex country and > for fighting "sexism". This should be replaced by a nation that is for > manhood and womenhood. Not only are the sexes different, but the > reason we are attracted to the opposite sex is precisely because they > are different.
Most leftists agree with those statements. We do not want unisex, we do not want to get rid of manhood and womanhood--we do want to fight sexism though.
> In 1852 Emma Snodgrass was arrested in Boston for wearing pants.
You think that was a good thing?
> Today women are allowed to be policemen and soldiers. Men don't need > to be protected by female policemen.
Oh will you quit with this obsession already?
> The two main forces that reject the unisex society are religion > and nationalism.
As I said, liberals and leftists do not want that kind of society, but we should also reject religion and nationalism. These things are opposed to justice.
There certainly > wasn't much feminism going on in a Muslim country like Afganistan. And > it is no coincidence that the USA bombed Afganistan.
We bombed them because Osama Ben Ladin was hiding there.
Again, you show how you really feel about woman by supporting the Taliban. You must hate women to think they were great. Even Hitler would not have supported such a state. You have claimed that Hitler respected women. Do you think it was good that the Taliban beat women in public and forced them to beg in the street for money? Do you think it is good that they would execute women if they had their hair or nails done in a salon? Do you think it was good that women and their children starved to death because the Taliban killed their husbands and forced them to give up their jobs?
The USA and its > masters the Jews are the enemy and that is the first thing we need to > be clear about if we are going to change things. There were also > Nationalist countries that were also bombed by the USA and the other > leftists. The media will tell us how terrible they say these countries > were. > What about the "cold war" where the USA was opposing the Soviet Union and all its satellite countries? What about our wars with North Korea, Vietnam, etc. What of our CIA overthrowing leftists leaders? What about our proxie wars in the 80s in Nicaragua, Angola, and yes, Afganistan. The USA was fighting Communism for decades around the world. We did not care what Afganistan was doing to women when we invaded, as long as they were not Communist. We only invaded because of 9/11.
> Feminism is something we must always fight against. But a normal > man who considers women his enemy must eventually go mad. > You seem to consider women the enemy. Maybe you have gone mad. > > "Father" should not be a paid occupation, but "Mother" should be. > I'm sure he did not mean that fathers should stay at home.
No but they should not be gone all the time fighting for White Nationalism while leaving the mother with all the responsibility of caring for the children like you seem to want.
Info
2007-03-28 05:44:21 EST
Topaz wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:56:40 -0700, Tim Howard > <tim.howard@suddenlink.net> wrote: > > > > >What "rapid deterioration"? > > "Notice to all Men, wake up and smell the Coffee.. > *The government has pressured most large organizations into giving > women preferences in hiring and promotions. > *Men and Boys are being driven out of the University's, Public > Schools, which have been re-designed solely for girls' way of > learning. And Men are starting to avoid college because of the hostile > feminist climate. So women are moving ahead of men in getting advanced > degrees. More promotions for women.
The corporate run American government has been doing that for many years now. Trying to convince women to act like men. It doesn't work. It doesn't make women happy.
It results in fewer marriages, more divorces and fewer babies being born. The Federal Reserve and the NSA it runs has instead decided to allow millions of Mexicans and Indians into America to for more economic growth and higher profits.
> *The IRS code provides at least six subsidies encouraging women to > divorce their husbands when the excitement wears off. (Around > three-quarters of divorces are initiated by women.) This has destroyed > the Family as we know it. > *Family courts (under the legislature's standards) routinely deprive > fathers of their children. When the Courts say Fathers have no Rights, > Furthermore, the courts normally refuse to enforce even minimal > visitation rights when mothers prevent fathers from seeing the > children, and refuse to do anything to stop false Allegations. > *Family violence protective orders are widely used to get fathers out > of the house so that women can get sole custody more easily, all based > on false information and again false Allegations, because the laws > want it that way. *Court-ordered payments to ex-wives are exorbitant, > typically one-third or more of a father's take-home pay. (My own son > was ordered to pay almost two-thirds of the income from his first, > low-paying job.) *Courts often refuse to lower so-called child-support > amounts when fathers' income drops. When fathers become delinquent, > they are publicly smeared as "deadbeats," and often jailed. In fact, > the Bradley Amendment prohibits any reduction in "child-support" > arrears, even if the father is totally disabled, So men's suicide has > rising even more so, because that is the goal of the Feminist to keep > men beaten down. > *Courts order men to pay "child support" even when the children aren't > theirs. And this may be a far-from isolated problem in an age where > DNA-testing companies say that up to one-third of all children are not > sired by the man named by the mother, but at the same time mothers can > refuse fathers the right to have fathers names on the birth > certificate, which is back up by the courts. > *.. Men are often arrested when neighbors, or a ex-wife or girlfriend > calls the police, regardless of the evidence at the scene when > officers arrive, because that is what the police have to do, when the > laws of the Country state them to do just that. > We are living in a New Age, where a New Order has been put in place on > Men, Children, all for the Sake of Money, and Radical man hating > Feminism. > Stand up Men and say "No more", this has to stop." > Baze > > > > >No, they are just no longer seen a subservient and weak. > > The leftists who rule America are for having a unisex country and > for fighting "sexism". This should be replaced by a nation that is for > manhood and womenhood. Not only are the sexes different, but the > reason we are attracted to the opposite sex is precisely because they > are different. > > In 1852 Emma Snodgrass was arrested in Boston for wearing pants. > Today women are allowed to be policemen and soldiers. Men don't need > to be protected by female policemen. > We don't have to have the kind of society we have now. The > government, and the media, and the schools, may all be leftist > enemies, but their ways are so contrary to human nature that it can be > changed. > > The two main forces that reject the unisex society are religion > and nationalism. There certainly > wasn't much feminism going on in a Muslim country like Afganistan. And > it is no coincidence that the USA bombed Afganistan. The USA and its > masters the Jews are the enemy and that is the first thing we need to > be clear about if we are going to change things. There were also > Nationalist countries that were also bombed by the USA and the other > leftists. The media will tell us how terrible they say these countries > were. We must always remember that the media is the enemy and they are > the ones pushing unisex culture on us. > > Feminism is something we must always fight against. But a normal > man who considers women his enemy must eventually go mad. Feminism may > be a major symptom of what is wrong with this country but it is only a > symptom. The Jewish control of the media and society is the disease. > And feminism is Jewish: > > Gloria Steinem was a Jew. Bella Abzug was a Jew. Betty Friedan was > a Jew. > > "THE JEWISH 100: A Ranking Of the Most Influential Jews Of All Time" > By Michael Shaprio > > # 56 Betty Friedan (b. 1921) > > Born Betty Naomi Goldstein to Harry and Miriam (Horowitz) Goldstein in > Peoria, Illinois, educated at Smith College, married in 1947 to Carl > Friedan, the mother of three children, divorced in 1969, activist, > best-selling author, professor, a founder of the National Organization > for Women (NOW), the National Women's Political Caucus, and the First > Women's Bank, researcher, journalist, Democrat, clinical psychologist, > and grandmother, Betty Friedan was the most influential feminist of > the postwar era. Deemed by Marilyn French and others as an "initiator > of the 'second wave' of feminism, " Friedan's writings and lectures, > including the highly influential books THE FEMININE MYSTIQUE and THE > SECOND STAGE, synthesized women's views on what equality meant and how > to live and work... When the war against fascism ended two decades > later, four million women lost their jobs to returning GIs. Women were > again told that their place was in the home. The freedom to work to > build up and defend their nation was over. Men would earn the family's > bread. What the boys needed was a warm place to come home to every > night. Ironically, American soldiers had accepted some of the values > toward women (Kinder, Kuche, Kirche - children, kitchen, church) as > the Nazis they thought they had defeated... > > >Total BS that is too obvious to have to refute. > > > > >Simplistic, but lets say there are many undiciplined children causing > >trouble... What ever reasons for children being "out of control" have > >nothing to do with feminism. Where is his link? > > > > > >Pets are easy to control. > > > >There may be lack of discipline in some cases, but illnesses like ADD > >are real and medically proven. > > > > > >Topaz does... > > > >Most parents have to work because of the cost of living. It is a > >necessity, not always a choice. > > Due to Jewry. > > > > >If there are children like that, they are usually in rich or > >upper-middle class families. Poor families don't get to experience that > >materialism. This is a problem caused by capitalism, not feminism. > > > > > >There does seem to be a lot of this. But is this feminism or > >reverse-chauvinism? True feminists believe in equality and mutual > >respect between couples. Just because some women did not get the > >concept right does not mean feminism is a bad idea. Few women today > >would call themselves feminists btw. > > > > > >Natural, or forced upon women by force back in ancient times? > > > > > >So Topaz, this guy agrees with me when I told you before that men have > >an equal responsibility to raise children and you said no, it is women's > >responsibility to do it while men should have the jobs and earn the > >money. It is you who think men should not have to raise the children > >along with their partners. > > "Father" should not be a paid occupation, but "Mother" should be. > I'm sure he did not mean that fathers should stay at home. > > http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com > > http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.ihr.org/ > > http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html http://www.nsm88.com/
Topaz
2007-03-28 20:07:56 EST
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:32:00 -0700, Tim Howard <*d@suddenlink.net> wrote:
> >The Government does not enforce civil rights laws nearly as much now as >years ago. The decline in the Justice Dept. persuing civil rights cases > like racial and gender discrimination started declining in the >*Clinton* years. If there is any "pressure" it is not to give >"preferences" so much is it following civil rights laws that prohibit >discrimination. The trouble with you sexists is that you have the false >premise that in the olden days that all those men who got promotions >were the most qualified, and so, if the % of men in those positions goes >down at all, it must be because of evil leftists and feminists pulling >the strings.
The main problem with America is that it is based on the falsehoods that the races are the same and the sexes are the same. America is based on lies.
Here are some quotes from Brain Sex, the Real Difference between men and women By Anne Moir And David Jessel
They are equal only in their common membership of the species, humankind. To maintain that they are the same in aptitude, skill or behavior is to build a society based on a biological and scientific lie.
The sexes are different because their brains are different. The brain, the chief administrative and emotional organ of life, is differently constructed in men and in women; it processes information in a different way, which results in different perceptions, priorities and behavior.
Until recently, behavior differences between the sexes have been explained away by social conditioning - the expectations of parents, whose own attitudes, in turn, reflect the expectations of society; little boys are told that they shouldn't cry, and that the way to the top depends on masculine assertion and aggression. Scant attention was paid to the biological view that we may be what we are because of the way we are made. Today, there is too much new biological evidence for the sociological argument to prevail.
The biggest behavioral difference between men and women is the natural, innate aggression of men, which explains to a large degree their historical dominance of the species. Men didn't learn aggression as one the tactics of the sex war. We do not teach our boy children to be aggressive - indeed, we try vainly to unteach it. Even researchers most hostile to the acknowledgement of sex differences agree that this is a male feature, and one which cannot be explained away by social conditioning.
There has seldom been a greater divide between what intelligent, enlightened opinion presumes - that men and women have the same brain - and what science knows - that they do not.
It cannot be stressed often enough that this book concerns itself with the average man and the average woman.
The area where the biggest differences have been found lies in what scientists call 'spatial ability'. That's being able to picture things, their shape, position, geography and proportion, accurately in the mind's eye - all skills that are crucial to the practical ability to work with three-dimensional objects or drawings. One scientist who has reviewed the extensive literature on the subject concludes, 'The fact of the male's superiority in spatial ability is not in dispute'. It is confirmed by literally hundreds of different scientific studies.
99 per cent of all patents applied for today are registered by men.
Scientists know that they walk on social eggshells when they venture any theory about human behavior. But researchers into sex differences are increasingly impatient with the polite attempt to find a social explanation for these differences. As Camilla Benbow now says now says of her studies showing male superiority in mathematically gifted children, 'After 15 years looking for an environmental explanation and getting zero results, I gave up.' She readily admitted to us her belief that the difference in ability has a biological basis.
The differences are apparent in the very first hours after birth. It has been shown that girl babies are much more interested than boys in people and faces; the boys seem just as happy with an object dangled in front of them.
Embryonic boy babies are exposed to a colossal dose of male hormone at the critical time when their brains are beginning to take shape.
The brains of male and female mammals, from rodents to primates, exhibiting hormonally mediated differences in neuro-transmitter levels, neural connections, and cell and nuclear volume, strongly suggests that similar sexual dimorphism of structure and function exists human brains as well.
In women the functional division between the left and the right sides of the brain is less clearly defined. Both the left and the right sides of the female brain are involved in verbal and visual abilities. Men's brains are more specialized. The left side of the brain is almost exclusively set aside for the control or verbal abilities, the right side for visual.
And the latest research had shown that the more connections people have between the left and right hemispheres, the more articulate and fluent they are. The finding provides a further explanation for women's verbal dexterity. But could the corpus callosum provide the answer to another mystery, could it provide a somewhat solution to the secret of female intuition? Is the physical capacity of a woman to connect and relate more pieces of information than a man explained not by witchcraft, after all, but merely by superior switchgear? Since women are in general better at recognizing the emotional nuances in voice, gesture and facial expression, a whole range of sensory information. They can deduce more from such information because they have a greater capacity than men to integrate and cross-relate verbal and visual information.
A woman may be less able to separate emotion from reason because of the way the female brain is organized. The female brain has emotional capacities on both sides of the brain, plus there is more information exchanged between the two sides of the brain. The emotional side is more integrated with the verbal side of the brain.
These discernible, measurable differences in behavior have been imprinted long before external influences have had a chance to work. They reflect a basic difference in the newborn brain which we already know about - the superior male efficiency in spatial ability, the greater female skill in speech.
Boys want to explore areas, spaces and things because their brain bias predisposes them to these aspects of the environment. Girls like to talk and to listen because that is what their brains are better designed to do.
Even in the Israeli kibbutz, where deliberate attempts have been made to play down the differences between boys and girls, and where the engineered society proclaims a virtual interchangeability of the sexes, it was found that in all age groups, while girls cooperated, shared and acted affectionately, boys engaged in more acts of conflict such as seizing other children's toys.
The manifestation of masculine behavior in otherwise fully female women is a much-debated subject. There are, however, clinical findings which point the way to a possible explanation. Most of them concern women who have been exposed to an abnormal level of male hormone in the womb during the critical period of brain development.
The pursuit of power is overwhelmingly and universally a male trait.
On the math part of tests, boys do significantly better, and the success ratio of boys to girls increases with the level of difficulty. On a score of 420+ out of a possible 800, boys beat girls 1.5 : 1. At 500+, the ratio is more than 2 : 1. At 600+ it is over 4 : 1. At the highest range, of 700+ the ratio is 13 : 1.
Greater freedom of expression has led to a greater awareness of our differences how long will it be before we revert to type, how long before those same magazines are talking of the New Romanticism - 'At Last, We Can be Feminine Again' - or running features on the 'Return of the Macho'?
Diversity is a biological fact, while equality is a political, ethical, and social precept.
Liberation condemns the sexual double standard - why should sex outside of marriage be 'all right' for men, all wrong for women? The standards are indeed double, in that an extra-marital affair does mean different things, and has a different level of importance, for men and women. 'It didn't mean anything', mutters the man, when his indiscretion is revealed - and it almost certainly didn't. He says that he loves her just as much as ever, and he probably does. But the wife sees his affair as an assault on what is to her most precious - intimacy and fidelity. If she were to embark on an affair, you can bet that is would 'mean' a lot to her. She cannot forgive him; for she cannot even understand him. Their brains and their hormones have made them strangers to one another.
The difference between the attitude and proficiency of men and women as parents again reflects those basic differences of the brain. In this most intimate of relationships, between parent and child, it is the mother rather than the father who is more alert to the nuance and the non-verbal hint, more naturally responsive to a baby's needs.
The Israeli kibbutz was not designed specifically to abolish the Jewish mother. But in these forcing-houses of social engineering, girls and boys grew up with virtually interchangeable roles. Children were reared communally, and the household duties of cooking and laundry were a community, rather than a family responsibility. The expectation was that, with the passing of several neutral generations, sexual differentiation would evaporate, and sexist stereotyping would become a memory as remote as slavery is to the newest generation of America's blacks. But that is not what happened. Three of four generations later, the children of the kibbutz are still clinging to their traditional roles again looking at the experience of the Israeli kibbutzim. Social engineers worked hard to iron out classic gender stereotypes at an early age: 'All children are dressed in the same work-clothes there is no sex difference in the style of haircut ' Even so The boys went on to study physics and become engineers, the girls to study sociology and become teachers. It is telling proof of what we now know - that the minds of men and women are different, that ultimately boys and men live in a world of things and space, girls and women in a world of people and relationships.
Nobody gets paid without performing. Because men try harder more often, they will, if not forcibly prevented, succeed more often than women in attaining highly-paid positions. Little of this is surprising in the light of what we now know about the biological springs of aggression and dominance.
Just as there are physical dissimilarities between males and females (size, body shape, skeleton, teeth, age of puberty, etc.) there are equally dramatic differences in brain functioning.
There is solid and consistent evidence from scientists all over the world that a biochemical influence in the womb determines and directs the structure and function or our brains. Through the influence of the hormones the brain cells 'acquire a "set" highly resistant to change after birth'. Male hormone organizes the developing brain into a male pattern which leads to male behavior. Absence of the male hormone means that the brain persists in a female pattern, resulting in a female pattern of behavior. This organization of the brain into a male or female neural network is permanent; it can only be modified by altering the hormonal milieu of the womb.
We can hope for an end to the slogans, for slogans do not change facts, and an end to the sterile pursuit of artificial equality; an abandonment of the arduous and unnatural process of denial and , instead, the enjoyment of our natural selves; the greening of a new relationship between men and women; a celebration of the difference.
>Again, are the schools being designed totally for woman, or is their >design just changing to accomodate woman as well as men? Are women >getting degrees unfairly, or just because they are given an equal chance?
Everything is for women and minorities. Liberals who pretend this isn't happening are just being more subtle than others. They are all really against the White man, and against themselves in many cases.
> >List me those subsidies and how they deliberately target men. > > >If this was going on for a period of time, it is changing. Joint >custody is the norm now, and mothers don't always automatically get full > custody, if the man wants to be a part of his children's lives. > > >Show me the stats.
Divorce courts are run by anti-man people. Men get taken to the cleaners all the time. Liberals will deny everything and demand stats. They probably also demand stats that White neighborhoods are safer than Black neighborhoods. Where do they think their listeners are living? Everyone with their eyes open can see these things.
> >That is a rather sweeping generalization. You say there are not abusive >husbands? > > >You quote so many others I cannot always tell if these are your words or >someone elses. In most states, few women get spousal support and you >know it! I do not claim, from what I know, that all spousal and child >support is fair. Nothing is perfect.
Nothing is perfect. Is that how liberals talk when they want something for women and minorities.
> >That is rare. > > >But not new child support...and good luck to those mothers trying to >collect. > > >Again, show me your stats! > > >Those two issues are not connected. But re: the first one--this >happens sometimes when a man has been living in the home helping support >the family. So he becomes like their father. > > >Police need to see evidence in every one of those laws that I have heard >of. Show me the text of a state leglislation that says what you have >described. > > >Most leftists agree with those statements. We do not want unisex, we do >not want to get rid of manhood and womanhood--we do want to fight sexism >though.
> >> In 1852 Emma Snodgrass was arrested in Boston for wearing pants. > >You think that was a good thing?
It was good at the time. There was a different (non-Jewish) culture.
> >> Today women are allowed to be policemen and soldiers. Men don't need >> to be protected by female policemen. > >Oh will you quit with this obsession already?
Why don't you quit whatever it is you want.
Here are some quotes from the account of the women's rally at the 1936 Nuremberg Rally, taken from the official party proceedings. The speakers were Gertrud Scholz-Klink, the head of the Nazi women's league, and Hitler himself, who outlines the Nazi view of the role of women. The enormous hall was filled two hours before the meeting began. Many thousands of women were unable to enter, and gathered outside to hear the proceedings over loudspeakers. The leaders of the women's labor service and those of the League of German Girls took their places on the platform, and the officials of the NS Women's League and the German Women's Work filled the seats. To the side one could see numerous representatives of German women's groups from abroad in colorful and elaborate costumes. The farmers among the participants also wore their beautiful traditional costumes. After a piece by the Reich Symphony Orchestra, Hilgenfeldt opened the meeting and greeted the participants and foreign guests in the name of the National Women's Leader. The 20,000 women rose to sing "Our Fate was to be a Free People."
Speech by Gertrud Scholz-Klink:
"The Soviet Union declared the legal equality of men and women in all areas in a law of 18 November 1918. That meant the same right to work, the same duty to support oneself, the right of control over one's own body, which for the woman meant the right to abortion. The view was that men and women had full freedom only when the state stayed as far as possible form personal relationships. The state provided no legal rights in marriage, which meant that there were only two forms of marriage. One could register a marriage before a government office, or one could be married without virtue of state ceremony. The result was that, even when one had been married officially, the individual partners had the right when they were unhappy to go to the same office and, for a very small fee, dissolve the marriage. Should there be children, they would be housed in collective homes, since both father and mother worked and housing was in short supply, given the migration from the countryside to the cities. The absence of resources in such homes led of necessity to demanding money from the economically stronger partner. The result was constant legal battles and enormous misery for the children. Simultaneously, women were increasingly absorbed in industry and the military. In 1918, 24 of every 1000 miners were women. By 1932, 153 of 1000 were women, a number that had grown to 321 by 1935! In automobile and tractor manufacturing, women are 30.4% of the work force, 63.5% of the drilling industry. The full equality of the sexes had the further result that girls are given the same military training as boys in the communist youth organization and schools. The Red Army is the only army in the world in which both men and women are trained as soldiers and officers to wage aggressive wars... We Germans had 14 years under an attempt to impose Bolshevist principles on us. The German woman took her place alongside the German man when she realized that a struggle was going on between God's order for earthly affairs and universal apostles of humanity who wanted to replace these eternal laws. It was a battle between good and evil. Good and evil are equally strong forces in life. They find visible form in National Socialism and Bolshevism. National Socialism is good become visible for we Germans. It respects the earth from which our people have grown. Bolshevism is absolute evil because it is a universal approach that rejects the eternal laws of nature. "Good" and "evil" have never stood in such stark contrast before all the world as they do today in these two forces... Our work is to spread this idea. It is nothing other than a daily struggle between these two forces. It is not ultimately a battle of means or of money, that is of perishable things, rather it is ennobled by the spirit in whose service we stand: In the battle between good and evil, we are the obedient servants of the good." Speech by Adolf Hitler: Those abroad may say 'That is fine for the men! But your women cannot be optimistic. They are oppressed and dominated and enslaved. You give them no freedom of equality." We answer: What you see as a yoke others see as a blessing. What is heaven to one is hell for another... As long as we have sound men-and we National Socialists will see to that-there will be no women throwing hand grenades in Germany, no women sharp-shooters. That is not equality for women, rather their debasement... Women have boundless opportunities to work. For us the woman has always been the loyal companion of the man in work and life. People often tell me: You want to drive women out of the professions. No, I only want to make it possible for her to found her own family and to have children, for that is how she can best serve our people!... If a woman jurist does the best possible work, but next to her lives a woman who has given birth to five, six or seven healthy children who are well educated, I would say the following: From the standpoint of the eternal values of our people, the woman who has borne and raised children has done more, given more, accomplished more for the future of our people!... Real leadership has the duty to enable every man and woman to fulfill their dreams, or at least to make it easier for them to do so. We seek this goal through laws that encourage the healthy education of children. But we have done more than simply pass laws. We are educating for German women and girls a manly youth, the men of tomorrow!" "I believe we have found the right way to educate a healthy youth. Let me say this to all the literary know-it-alls and philosophers of equality: (laughter) Do not deceive yourselves! There are two separate arenas in the life of a nation": that of men and that of women. Nature has rightly ordained that men head the family and are burdened with the task of protecting their people, the community. The world of the woman, when she is fortunate, is her family, her husband, her children, her home. From there she can see the whole. The two arenas together join to form a community that enables a people to survive. We want to build a common world of both sexes in which each sees its own tasks, tasks that it alone can do and therefore can and must do alone." "When I see this wonderful growing youth, my work becomes easy, I overcome every weakness. Then I know why I do everything. It is not to build some miserable business that will perish, rather this work is for something lasting and eternal. A vital part of this future is the German girl, the German woman, the German woman, and thus we meet the girl, the woman, the mother." "I do not measure the success of our work by our roads. I do not measure it by our new factories, or our new bridges, or the new divisions. Rather, I measure our success by the effect we have on the German child, the German youth. If they succeed, I know our people will not perish and our work will not have been in vain." "I am convinced that no one understands our work better than the German woman. (long-lasting, jubilant applause) Our opponents think that Germany has tyrannized women. I can only reply that without the support and true devotion of the women of the party, I could never have led the movement to victory." (renewed enthusiastic applause) The Reich Women's Leader thanked the Führer after the jubilation at the end of his speech had calmed down. In the name of all German women, she promised to work hard to ease his concerns. Not only the Reich Women's Leader's words, but also the jubilation of the crowd followed the Führer as he left the hall.
> >As I said, liberals and leftists do not want that kind of society, but >we should also reject religion and nationalism. These things are >opposed to justice. > > >We bombed them because Osama Ben Ladin was hiding there.
The West is the White race.
The goal of America is to destroy the White race. The multi-culture and pluralism they push is only at the expense of Whites. No one is trying to push multi-culture in China or Japan or anyplace but on the Whites. And they promote racial intermarriage. If things continue as they are the White race is doomed.
And who is doing all of this? It is the USA government and the media, in other words the Jews.
Many Whites are traitors. They support the USA government and their own destruction. We should look for allies. And anyone who wants to remove the Jews from power is our ally. In the past the Japanese were our allies. Today it is the Muslims.
Osama bin Laden September 24th statement published in Pakistan
"I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom. This system is totally in control of the American Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is simply that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not uttering a single word."
> >Again, you show how you really feel about woman by supporting the >Taliban. You must hate women to think they were great. Even Hitler >would not have supported such a state. You have claimed that Hitler >respected women. Do you think it was good that the Taliban beat women >in public and forced them to beg in the street for money? Do you think >it is good that they would execute women if they had their hair or nails >done in a salon? Do you think it was good that women and their children >starved to death because the Taliban killed their husbands and forced >them to give up their jobs?
I'm for National Socialism, not Islam. But Islam is not an enemy. The Jews who rule the USA are the enemy.
>> >What about the "cold war" where the USA was opposing the Soviet Union >and all its satellite countries?
By William Simpson,
The "Communist" despotism over Russia, which in 1917 had been set up by Jews, financed by Jews, and ever since perhaps been manned either by Jews of gentile "fronts" for Jews, from the beginning even until now [1977], had always been under the control and direction of Jewish International Finance, centered in Wall Street, New York. Jewish Finance is as much the master of Moscow as it is of Washington, D.C.- in both cases of course , secretly. Both serve one head as certainly as a man's two arms and hands serve one will. The Wall Street Money Power, which has given orders to Moscow, through many channels but principally through the Council on Foreign Relations, the "C.F.R."
The saber-rattling between the US and Russia, played up in the press and on the radio and TV the world over, has provided the justification and the cover for pushing through one Jewish design after another.
All the present international fuss over Soviet "anti-Semitism," alleged Soviet persecution of Jews is nothing more than deception
Hostility to Jews simply because they are Jews, on the part of the Soviet Government, does not exist
In Czechoslovakia the Minister of Justice who ordered the execution of nine Communist Jews was Stefan Reis, recognized by the Jewish Chronicle, a leading Jewish periodical of England, of 5th May, 1950, as a Jew himself.
In Rumania, the Jewess Anna Parker was replaced by another Jew, A. Bughici
It has been the Jew-controlled U.S.A. that is chiefly responsible for having built up the Russian regime, prevented its collapse, and maintained it in power. Most recently, when the last Soviet famine threatened as the result of yet another failure of collectivized agriculture, Dr. Kissinger [himself a Jew born abroad], whose power base is the international financial groups whose interests he has faithfully served, rushed to Moscow to offer the necessary credits to enable American wheat to be shipped to the Soviet Union. 700 million dollars were provided
American finance and industry and the American government itself (all of which have long operated within the framework of what in the final analysis is a Jewish Money System, and under Jewish direction), from 1918 to the present, without interruption, have contributed heavily to the creation and the maintenance of Soviet technology, and have alone made its development possible, and perhaps therefore even enabled the survival of Communism itself. "There is no such thing as Soviet technology - only American technology on Soviet soil."
(There is much more on this in the book "None Dare Call it Treason" which sold millions of copies in the 1960's)
Many people the world over were beginning to suspect the fact that the Russian despotism was Jewish and pro-Jewish. And on this account, in the stupendous climax that we are now approaching, it became of crucial importance for the realization of Jewish aims that this mistrust should be allayed and that world opinion should settle down in the conclusion that Russia's Government was -anti-Jewish.
> What about our wars with North Korea, >Vietnam, etc. What of our CIA overthrowing leftists leaders?
"Our". You mean the Jews.
> What >about our proxie wars in the 80s in Nicaragua, Angola, and yes, >Afganistan. The USA was fighting Communism for decades around the >world. We did not care what Afganistan was doing to women when we >invaded, as long as they were not Communist. We only invaded because of >9/11.
"Knowing who did the terrorism of September 11 is important, but why they did it is even more important to us.
Yet, strangely, there has been little discussion in the mass media on why the attack occurred. Politicians and media personalities have given us completely inadequate explanations why a couple of dozen young men would blow themselves up to get at us. In fact, they have told us absurd lies to keep Americans from understanding the real reason for the attacks.
We have been told that the attackers were simply crazy, cowardly men who committed a quote "unprovoked attack." Media and government spokesmen repeatedly assured us that these attacks had "nothing to do with America's support of Israel." The official view, as expressed by the President to the U.S. Congress, was that the terrorists attacked us because they hate our freedom! Here is an excerpt of his remarks before Congress
"Americans are asking, "Why do they hate us?"
"They hate what they see right here in this chamber: a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms."
I am not trying to be disrespectful, but what he said is so ridiculous that even this intellectually challenged President cannot really believe it. Does Bush really think that a bunch of young men would give up their families, their homes, and immolate themselves in a huge ball of fire simply because they hate our democracy! Right on Mr. President! Next week, will we will hear about Islamic kamikazes crashing planes into Iceland, the oldest enduring democracy on earth.
Mr. Bush is asking America to support a massive war over the next ten years. We are being asked to support a massive conflict whose huge costs could well bankrupt America and cause the loss of great numbers of American lives. Before we can make such a crucial decision, we deserve to have the whole truth concerning this cataclysmic event.
Of course, Mr. Bush did not tell us the truth; he simply repeated the Big Lie put out by the American mass media.
Saying that these acts were born out of hatred for freedom is a calculated lie to divert us from associating this disaster with our support for Israel.
You see, associating the attack with our Israeli policy would be bad public relations for Israel and the Jewish Lobby. The last thing they want is for the American people to realize that our unconditional support of Israel has directly led to this disaster.
If the American people clearly understand that fact, people might begin to ask a similar question to the one asked by Leslie Stahl, "Is our support of Israel really worth it?"
To keep people from asking that obvious question, the media made up the Big Lie that the men of October 11 were simply crazy, cowardly people who hated freedom and democracy!
The real reason for the attack
Even the date the terrorists chose for this attack shows their true motivation.
The attack occurred on September 11. That is the anniversary of the League of Nations proclaiming in Palestine the British Mandate in 1922. The date represents the first physical step toward the implementation of the Balfour Declaration and the establishment of Israel.
Why has the mass media kept this important fact from the American people?
Frankly, this fact has been suppressed because the American media are thoroughly dominated by Jews. Many Americans suspect that Jews have disproportionate influence in the press, but their actual power is more than most people imagine. If you want documented proof of their enormous media power, just go to my web page, www.davidduke.com and read the "Who Runs the Media?" chapter from my book, My Awakening. (Located at http://www.davidduke.com/awakening/chapter19_01.html)
Just as Jewish Israel-Firsters dominate the mass media, so the Israeli Lobby afflicts Congress and the President. It should anger every American to think that the most powerful lobby in Congress is in the service of a foreign nation. Yet, the immense power of the Jewish Lobby is a proven fact, and nobody on Capitol Hill will dare defy this all-powerful lobby. Even one of the most powerful U.S. Senators in American history, William Fulbright, bluntly said on CBS's Face the Nation, that, "Israel controls the U.S. Senate."
Recently, a Hebrew Israeli radio station, Kol Yisrael, on October 3rd reported that during an argument in an Israeli cabinet meeting, Shimon Peres warned Prime Minister Ariel Sharon that unless he would heed American requests for a cease fire with the Palestinians, he could cause America to turn against Israel. In a fit of anger, Sharon responded to Peres:
"Every time we do something, you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." (2)
The media bosses and the Israel-bought politicians know the real reasons behind this terrorism. They have read the interviews of Osama Bin Laden. He and almost every other Islamic opponent of America has put support for Israel at the top of their top ten reasons for hating America. Bin Laden and countless millions in the Muslim world regard the attacks on Lebanon, on Iraq, on Libya, on Iran, on Afghanistan and on Sudan as a direct result of Israel's control over America.
They point out that the many Israeli massacres of Palestinians, the ongoing torture of thousands of prisoners, the use of assassination of political enemies, the bombing of refugee camps, and the expansive wars launched by Israeli's against their Arab neighbors; that all these Israeli crimes are completely dependent on unconditional American aid. They also see the deaths of the 500,000 Iraqi children, as admitted by our former Jewish Secretary of State, as a direct result of Jewish control of America.
The American people, who are under the bombardment of a biased multimedia, might not realize the Jewish control of American foreign policy, but the Palestinians and their allies such as Bin Laden, all understand it; and they hate us for it.
In fact, the same mass media that are giving out the Big Lie that the terrorist motivation is "hate for freedom," are clearly aware of Bin Laden's real motivations.
I can easily prove the true motivation of bin Laden and I can prove the media has known the truth all along. In May of 1998 reporter John Miller of ABC interviewed Bin Laden. Bin Laden talks about why he seeks to attack America. You can find it on the ABC and the PBS web sites. Here are excerpts of bin Laden's own words.
"For over half a century, Muslims in Palestine have been slaughtered and assaulted and robbed of their honor and of their property. Their houses have been blasted, their crops destroyed.
"This is my message to the American people: to look for a serious government that looks out for their interests and does not attack other people's lands, or other people's honor. And my word to American journalists is not to ask why we did that but ask what their government has done that forced us to defend ourselves."
"So we tell the Americans as people, and we tell the mothers of soldiers and American mothers in general that if they value their lives and the lives of their children, to find a patriotic government that will look after their interests and not the interests of the Jews."
I say to them that they have put themselves at the mercy of a disloyal government, and this is most evident in Clinton's administration. We believe that this administration represents Israel inside America. Take the sensitive ministries such as the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense and the CIA, you will find that the Jews have the upper hand in them. They make use of America to further their plans for the world.
In the interview, bin Laden never said one word about opposing democratic principles, nor has he ever done so in his lifetime. So, now we know Laden's true motivation. He attacked us not because he "hates democracy", but because he thinks Israel controls and uses America to attack his people."
David Duke
(1) THE SUNDAY MAIL (2001) Sept. 16 (2) Israeli Hebrew radio, Col Yisrael Wednesday
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Liberals always twist what non-liberals say. They pick up the habit from their Jewish controlled media and think it's normal.
>No but they should not be gone all the time fighting for White >Nationalism while leaving the mother with all the responsibility of >caring for the children like you seem to want.
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:44:21 -0400, Info <info@info.nospam.com> wrote:
>The corporate run American government has been doing that for many years now. >Trying to convince women to act like men. It doesn't work. It doesn't make >women happy. > >It results in fewer marriages, more divorces and fewer babies being born. >The Federal Reserve and the NSA it runs has instead decided to allow millions >of Mexicans and Indians into America to for more economic growth and higher >profits. > They do pretend that men and women are the same thing and strive for that sort of thing all the time.
And you are right that America is corporate. In the 1950's one paycheck per family was plenty of money. Getting the women to do outside work brought the wages down, according to their supply and demand, more workers mean they are worth less and wages go down. And they want Mexicans and others who will work for less than most Americans.
Info wrote: > > The corporate run American government has been doing that for many years now. > Trying to convince women to act like men. It doesn't work. It doesn't make > women happy.
I just don't see how the American Gov. is doing this. Women want equality--I don't see lots of women trying to act like men--how do you define that anyway? > > It results in fewer marriages, more divorces and fewer babies being born.
I won't try to convince you the Gov. does not want those things, but there are not fewer marriages, people are just waiting longer to get married. As for divorces, the USA has led the Western world in divorce rates since the post-WWII era. It did not start in the 60s with feminism. Buy why do you blame bad marriages all on the woman? Anyway, if women (and men) do not want to have children or not get married it is their choice. Who are you to tell us what to do with our lives?
> The Federal Reserve and the NSA it runs has instead decided to allow millions > of Mexicans and Indians into America to for more economic growth and higher > profits. > I don't think those two things are related. Wouldn't they rather have lots of domestic babies being born that they could indoctronate from birth instead of going to the trouble of bringing in foreigners?
Tim Howard
2007-03-29 03:51:23 EST
Topaz wrote: > The main problem with America is that it is based on the falsehoods > that the races are the same and the sexes are the same. America is > based on lies. > There is no such falsehood being told. We are not all the same, but that does not mean we cannot have social, political, and economic equality.
> Here are some quotes from Brain Sex, the Real Difference between men > and women > By Anne Moir And David Jessel > > They are equal only in their common membership of the species, > humankind. To maintain that they are the same in aptitude, skill or > behavior is to build a society based on a biological and scientific > lie. > Again, what I said above.
>> Show me the stats. > > Divorce courts are run by anti-man people. Men get taken to the > cleaners all the time. Liberals will deny everything and demand stats.
Yes, facts are a problem for you bigots.
> They probably also demand stats that White neighborhoods are safer > than Black neighborhoods.
Since the bigot can't answer the question, he tries to change the argument.
>> That is a rather sweeping generalization. You say there are not abusive >> husbands? >> >> >> You quote so many others I cannot always tell if these are your words or >> someone elses. In most states, few women get spousal support and you >> know it! I do not claim, from what I know, that all spousal and child >> support is fair. Nothing is perfect. > > Nothing is perfect. Is that how liberals talk when they want something > for women and minorities. > No more so than how you talk.
>>> In 1852 Emma Snodgrass was arrested in Boston for wearing pants. >> You think that was a good thing? > > It was good at the time. There was a different (non-Jewish) culture. > Really? So you don't think women should wear pants. What does that have to do with harming men? Fashion changes. Look at the ancient Romans and Greeks--they all wore robes and togas. Personally, I think women look good in pants as well as dresses. I especially like women who wear slacks if they are tailored right for their form. Black is my favorite color for slacks on a women, I think it is very figure flattering. Err sorry, I digress... Anyway, back to the debate.
>>> Today women are allowed to be policemen and soldiers. Men don't need >>> to be protected by female policemen.
>> Oh will you quit with this obsession already? > > Why don't you quit whatever it is you want.
I don't know what that is supposed to mean.
>> As I said, liberals and leftists do not want that kind of society, but >> we should also reject religion and nationalism. These things are >> opposed to justice. >> >> >> We bombed them because Osama Ben Ladin was hiding there. > > > The West is the White race. > > The goal of America is to destroy the White race.
Our White population has not gone down, just the percentage.
The multi-culture and pluralism they push is only at the expense of > Whites. No one is trying to push multi-culture in China or Japan or > anyplace but on the Whites.
I wouldn't tell the Koreans that who have suffered discrimination in those countries, esp. in Japan. They are fighting for their rights.
And they promote racial intermarriage. > If things continue as they are the White race is doomed. > Show me a government law or regulation that says it supports intermarriage. The government does not prohibit it anymore, but that is not the same as promoting it. I suppose you do not find any non-white women attractive? I doubt they would find you attractive so you need not worry about being tempted by their evil charms. > >> Again, you show how you really feel about woman by supporting the >> Taliban. You must hate women to think they were great. Even Hitler >> would not have supported such a state. You have claimed that Hitler >> respected women. Do you think it was good that the Taliban beat women >> in public and forced them to beg in the street for money? Do you think >> it is good that they would execute women if they had their hair or nails >> done in a salon? Do you think it was good that women and their children >> starved to death because the Taliban killed their husbands and forced >> them to give up their jobs? > > I'm for National Socialism, not Islam. But Islam is not an enemy. > The Jews who rule the USA are the enemy. > >> What about the "cold war" where the USA was opposing the Soviet Union >> and all its satellite countries? > > By William Simpson, > > The "Communist" despotism over Russia, which in 1917 had been set > up by Jews, financed by Jews, and ever since perhaps been manned > either by Jews of gentile "fronts" for Jews, from the beginning even > until now [1977], had always been under the control and direction of > Jewish International Finance, centered in Wall Street, New York. > Jewish Finance is as much the master of Moscow as it is of Washington, > D.C.- in both cases of course , secretly. Both serve one head as > certainly as a man's two arms and hands serve one will. The Wall > Street Money Power, which has given orders to Moscow, through many > channels but principally through the Council on Foreign Relations, the > "C.F.R."… > > The saber-rattling between the US and Russia, played up in the press > and on the radio and TV the world over, has provided the justification > and the cover for pushing through one Jewish design after another. > I remember the Reagan-era Cold War a little differently. It was not a Jewish fraud.
>> What about our wars with North Korea, >> Vietnam, etc. What of our CIA overthrowing leftists leaders? > > "Our". You mean the Jews. > If you can't answer the question... >> What >> about our proxie wars in the 80s in Nicaragua, Angola, and yes, >> Afganistan. The USA was fighting Communism for decades around the >> world. We did not care what Afganistan was doing to women when we >> invaded, as long as they were not Communist. We only invaded because of >> 9/11. > > > "Knowing who did the terrorism of September 11 is important, but why > they did > it is even more important to us. > > Yet, strangely, there has been little discussion in the mass media on > why the attack occurred. Politicians and media personalities have > given us completely inadequate explanations why a couple of dozen > young men would blow themselves up to get at us. In fact, they have > told us absurd lies to keep Americans from understanding the real > reason for the attacks. >
Still cannot answer the questions...
> In the interview, bin Laden never said one word about opposing > democratic principles, nor has he ever done so in his lifetime. So, > now we know Laden's true motivation. He attacked us not because he > "hates democracy", but because he thinks Israel controls and uses > America to attack his people."
No one asks him questions like that unfortunatly. But you don't believe in democratic principles either, so what are you going on about?
Topaz
2007-03-29 18:16:43 EST
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:51:23 -0700, Tim Howard <*d@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>There is no such falsehood being told. We are not all the same, but >that does not mean we cannot have social, political, and economic equality.
The leftists who rule America are for having a unisex country and for fighting "sexism". This should be replaced by a nation that is for manhood and womenhood. Not only are the sexes different, but the reason we are attracted to the opposite sex is precisely because they are different.
In 1852 Emma Snodgrass was arrested in Boston for wearing pants. Today women are allowed to be policemen and soldiers. Men don't need to be protected by female policemen. We don't have to have the kind of society we have now. The government, and the media, and the schools, may all be leftist enemies, but their ways are so contrary to human nature that it can be changed.
The two main forces that reject the unisex society are religion and nationalism. There certainly wasn't much feminism going on in a Muslim country like Afganistan. And it is no coincidence that the USA bombed Afganistan. The USA and its masters the Jews are the enemy and that is the first thing we need to be clear about if we are going to change things. There were also Nationalist countries that were also bombed by the USA and the other leftists. The media will tell us how terrible they say these countries were. We must always remember that the media is the enemy and they are the ones pushing unisex culture on us.
Feminism is something we must always fight against. But a normal man who considers women his enemy must eventually go mad. Feminism may be a major symptom of what is wrong with this country but it is only a symptom. The Jewish control of the media and society is the disease. And feminism is Jewish:
Gloria Steinem was a Jew. Bella Abzug was a Jew. Betty Friedan was a Jew.
"THE JEWISH 100: A Ranking Of the Most Influential Jews Of All Time" By Michael Shaprio
# 56 Betty Friedan (b. 1921)
Born Betty Naomi Goldstein to Harry and Miriam (Horowitz) Goldstein in Peoria, Illinois, educated at Smith College, married in 1947 to Carl Friedan, the mother of three children, divorced in 1969, activist, best-selling author, professor, a founder of the National Organization for Women (NOW), the National Women's Political Caucus, and the First Women's Bank, researcher, journalist, Democrat, clinical psychologist, and grandmother, Betty Friedan was the most influential feminist of the postwar era. Deemed by Marilyn French and others as an "initiator of the 'second wave' of feminism, " Friedan's writings and lectures, including the highly influential books THE FEMININE MYSTIQUE and THE SECOND STAGE, synthesized women's views on what equality meant and how to live and work... When the war against fascism ended two decades later, four million women lost their jobs to returning GIs. Women were again told that their place was in the home. The freedom to work to build up and defend their nation was over. Men would earn the family's bread. What the boys needed was a warm place to come home to every night. Ironically, American soldiers had accepted some of the values toward women (Kinder, Kuche, Kirche - children, kitchen, church) as the Nazis they thought they had defeated...
>Again, what I said above. > >> Divorce courts are run by anti-man people. Men get taken to the >> cleaners all the time. Liberals will deny everything and demand stats. > >Yes, facts are a problem for you bigots.
So why don't you look up the stats and prove that men are not taken to the cleaners in divorce courts, even though everyone knows they are.
> >> They probably also demand stats that White neighborhoods are safer >> than Black neighborhoods. > >Since the bigot can't answer the question, he tries to change the argument.
Definition by John "Birdman" Bryant
Bigot: One who disagrees with a liberal.
>> >> Nothing is perfect. Is that how liberals talk when they want something >> for women and minorities. >> >No more so than how you talk. > >>>> In 1852 Emma Snodgrass was arrested in Boston for wearing pants. >>> You think that was a good thing? >> >> It was good at the time. There was a different (non-Jewish) culture. >> >Really? So you don't think women should wear pants. What does that >have to do with harming men? Fashion changes. Look at the ancient >Romans and Greeks--they all wore robes and togas. Personally, I think >women look good in pants as well as dresses. I especially like women >who wear slacks if they are tailored right for their form. Black is my >favorite color for slacks on a women, I think it is very figure >flattering. Err sorry, I digress... >Anyway, back to the debate. > >>>> Today women are allowed to be policemen and soldiers. Men don't need >>>> to be protected by female policemen. > >>> Oh will you quit with this obsession already? >> >> Why don't you quit whatever it is you want. > >I don't know what that is supposed to mean. > > >Our White population has not gone down, just the percentage. > >The multi-culture and pluralism they push is only at the expense of >> Whites. No one is trying to push multi-culture in China or Japan or >> anyplace but on the Whites. > >I wouldn't tell the Koreans that who have suffered discrimination in >those countries, esp. in Japan. They are fighting for their rights.
If they aren't welcome there they should go back to Korea.
>> >Show me a government law or regulation that says it supports >intermarriage.
There is no law that prevents the Jews from controlling the media and all you have to do is turn on a TV.
> The government does not prohibit it anymore, but that is >not the same as promoting it. I suppose you do not find any non-white >women attractive? I doubt they would find you attractive so you need >not worry about being tempted by their evil charms.
Liberals pull the wool over the eyes of the public. This one says the government doesn't promote race mixing. Just go to a school and look the pictures on the walls. > >I remember the Reagan-era Cold War a little differently. It was not a >Jewish fraud.
You mean they didn't say it was a Jewish fraud on your TV. > > >>> What about our wars with North Korea, >>> Vietnam, etc. What of our CIA overthrowing leftists leaders? >> >> "Our". You mean the Jews. >> >If you can't answer the question...
My observation was better than the question.
> >Still cannot answer the questions... > > >No one asks him questions like that unfortunatly. But you don't believe >in democratic principles either, so what are you going on about?
Democracy is a cruel joke when the Jews control the media.
"Jewry rules from behind the mask of democracy. What one calls democracy today is concealed Jewish domination. Jews determine what happens in the democratic states" Julius Streicher, Der Stürmer, #34/1939.
"A couple of weeks ago I quoted a few sentences from a book published in 1928 titled Propaganda, by ... Edward Bernays. Today I'll read to you an expanded set of excerpts from Bernays' book to give you a little more of the gist of his message. I quote:
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.
"We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes are formed, our ideas suggested largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. . . .
"Whatever attitude one chooses to take toward this condition, it remains a fact that in almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons . . . who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind, who harness old social forces and contrive new ways to bind and guide the world. . .
"No serious sociologist believes any longer that the voice of the people expresses any divine or especially wise and lofty idea. The voice of the people expresses the mind of the people, and that mind is made up for it by the group leaders in whom it believes and by those persons who understand the manipulation of public opinion. . . .
"Whether in the problem of getting elected to office or in the problem of interpreting and popularizing new issues, or in the problem of making the day-to-day administration of public affairs a vital part of the community life, the use of propaganda, carefully adjusted to the mentality of the masses, is an essential adjunct of political life." - end of quote -
I should mention that Bernays' book is not profound or especially valuable in itself. It merely states a few self-evident facts about the way in which a modern society works. For the person interested in propaganda, far more useful books are available. The fact that Bernays was a Jew is not even especially relevant here except to emphasize that propaganda, the mass media, psychology, and the manipulation of others always have been subjects of special interest to the Jews. It is not for nothing that they are as thick in these fields today as they were in the time of Bernays and Freud. The reason I chose Bernays' book to quote is that it provides a more concise and clear summary, in a few quotable paragraphs, of the role of propaganda in modern life than most other books on the subject.
If I were you I wouldn't even waste time trying to hunt down a copy of Bernays' book. Although it is available in larger libraries, it's long been out of print, and all it does is state the obvious: namely, that the whole concept of democracy is meaningless in an age where a few people have in their hands the mechanism for controlling the attitudes and opinions of a majority of the electorate. And Bernays also takes the disingenuous position that not only is this control a fact of life, but it is a good thing; it is necessary to control and regiment the thinking of the public in order to avoid chaos, and it can only lead us to greater progress and prosperity. He simply glosses over the question of who should exercise this control and what their motives should be.
If you really want to study the subject of propaganda, a good place to start is with the 1962 book, also titled Propaganda, by the Frenchman Jacques Ellul. That book is still in print and is available from the sponsor of this program, National Vanguard Books. Professor Ellul deals with the subject in much greater depth and with much greater honesty than Bernays does, but he agrees with Bernays on the most obvious and fundamental conclusions: on the irrelevance of the idea of democracy, for example. I quote from Professor Ellul's book:
"If I am in favor of democracy, I can only regret that propaganda renders the true exercise of it almost impossible. But I think that it would be even worse to entertain any illusions about a coexistence of true democracy and propaganda." -- end of quote --
To me it is frustrating that a conclusion that seems so obvious is nevertheless resisted by so many otherwise intelligent people. Democracy has become almost a sacred concept to them, this idea that the policies guiding our nation should be decided by counting the votes of every featherless biped who has reached the age of 18. It's like motherhood: they're almost afraid to question it.
This seems to be as true of intellectuals in our society as it is of Joe Sixpacks. The fact is that intellectuals are no more likely to be independent-minded than people who work with their hands; most intellectuals, just like most Joe Sixpacks, are lemmings. In fact, as Ellul points out, it is precisely the intellectuals who are most strongly controlled by propaganda, because they are more open to every medium of propaganda.
And I must admit that it took me a long time to overcome the ideas drummed into me when I was in school that under a democracy people are more free than under any other political system, that under a democracy we are all free to think and say whatever we want, and that we have a greater responsibility as citizens of a democracy to make up our own minds about things independently, and so on. Actually, we still have some degree of individual freedom in the United States today because more than 200 years ago men whose temperament was far more aristocratic than democratic in the modern sense of the word were willing to go to war against their legitimate government in order to secure that freedom for us, and people with a truly democratic temperament, who have been gnawing away at that freedom ever since, haven't yet succeeded in suppressing it completely.
Well, it should not be surprising to us that although books such as Professor Ellul's Propaganda - and many others - are readily available, almost no one has heard of them. Keeping the public believing in the myth of democracy is an important element in maintaining control over the thinking and behavior of the public. It is simply immoral and scandalous to question the reality of democracy. It's like questioning the truth of the "Holocaust" story. And for that reason we're not likely to be taught in our social studies classes in school or to read in the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal even the most obvious and self-evident conclusions presented by Bernays or Ellul. We're still taught how democracy safeguards our freedom, even while those who control the mechanism of propaganda in our democratic society are working day and night to eliminate that freedom."
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