Consider that there are at least as many firearms-- handguns, rifles and shotguns--as there are citizens of the United States. Consider that last year there were more than 14 million Americans who bought licenses to hunt deer in the country.
14 million-- that's a number greater than the largest five professional armies in the world combined.
Consider also that those deer hunters are not only armed, but they own items of military utility-- everything from camo clothing to infrared "game finders", Global Positioning System devices and night vision scopes.
Consider also that quite a few of these hunters are military veterans. Just as moving around in the woods and stalking game are second nature, military operations are no mystery to them, especially those who were on the receiving end of guerrilla war in Southeast Asia. Indeed, such men, aging though they may be, may be more psychologically prepared for the exigencies of civil war(for this is what we are talking about) than their younger active-duty brother-soldiers whose only military experience involved neatly defined enemies and fronts in the Grand Campaign against Saddam.
The Vicar
2007-08-21 19:51:06 EST
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C*@Knicklas.com
2007-08-22 09:42:32 EST
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:50:06 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio <*y@dizum.com> wrote:
>Consider also that quite a few of these hunters are >military veterans. Just as moving around in the woods >and stalking game are second nature, military >operations are no mystery to them, especially those >who were on the receiving end of guerrilla war in >Southeast Asia.
Then why all the shooting deaths because of "mistaken" identification of deer?
HeyBub
2007-08-22 11:18:47 EST
C*k@Knicklas.com wrote: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:50:06 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio > <nobody@dizum.com> wrote: > >> Consider also that quite a few of these hunters are >> military veterans. Just as moving around in the woods >> and stalking game are second nature, military >> operations are no mystery to them, especially those >> who were on the receiving end of guerrilla war in >> Southeast Asia. > > Then why all the shooting deaths because of "mistaken" > identification of deer?
That's easy. There aren't any.
Steve
2007-08-22 11:33:53 EST
<*k@Knicklas.com> wrote in message news:39foc3tmrv37n61dnej8an81ri8mnmkgti@4ax.com... > On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:50:06 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio > <nobody@dizum.com> wrote: > > >Consider also that quite a few of these hunters are > >military veterans. Just as moving around in the woods > >and stalking game are second nature, military > >operations are no mystery to them, especially those > >who were on the receiving end of guerrilla war in > >Southeast Asia. > > Then why all the shooting deaths because of "mistaken" > identification of deer?
How many would that be exactly and what percentage of total deer hunters pull the trigger in such shootings?
Matt
2007-08-22 11:38:51 EST
On Aug 22, 9:18 am, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote: > Cl...@Knicklas.com wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:50:06 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio > > <nob...@dizum.com> wrote: > > >> Consider also that quite a few of these hunters are > >> military veterans. Just as moving around in the woods > >> and stalking game are second nature, military > >> operations are no mystery to them, especially those > >> who were on the receiving end of guerrilla war in > >> Southeast Asia. > > > Then why all the shooting deaths because of "mistaken" > > identification of deer? > > That's easy. There aren't any.
Matt wrote: >>> Then why all the shooting deaths because of "mistaken" >>> identification of deer? >> >> That's easy. There aren't any. > > None? Wow. > > http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=5493 > http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/accident-center.html > > Seems like maybe there are more than 'none'. >
Well, no. Your first news report was from 2005 and the sheriff said "the investigation is continuing." Note also that the shooting occurred after dark (law violation).
Your second reference is a tabulation but nowhere in the tabulation was there any qualification as to whether the deceased needed killing.
I did check the first sixteen on the list and none of them involved a fatality. The seventeenth was indeed a report of death: Two pre-teen boys were hunting rabbits with a pellet gun in a field behind their home. I guess if you paint with a broad enough brush, this qualifies as a "hunting homicide," but certainly not "mistaken identification of deer."
I didn't bother with the rest.
Your turn.
Benj
2007-08-22 13:02:03 EST
HeyBub wrote: > > I did check the first sixteen on the list and none of them involved a > fatality. The seventeenth was indeed a report of death: Two pre-teen boys > were hunting rabbits with a pellet gun in a field behind their home. I guess > if you paint with a broad enough brush, this qualifies as a "hunting > homicide," but certainly not "mistaken identification of deer."
Don't you love the way gun-grabbers just whip out the lies and then if called on it simply name-call and say that pro-gunners are the liars? It seems pretty clear from this bleeding heart ban-hunting site that "mistaken identification for a turkey" is the most frequent accident. I suppose that makes sense in the modern world! I suppose that excuse would work for Cheney and the lawyer he shot. Gosh didn't Kerry pretend to be a turkey hunter during the last election? I also loved the hunter shot by his dog. You'd think that a dog would have the skills to never have a "mistaken identification of a hunter for game". :-)
Matt
2007-08-22 13:25:58 EST
On Aug 22, 11:02 am, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote: > HeyBub wrote: > > > I did check the first sixteen on the list and none of them involved a > > fatality. The seventeenth was indeed a report of death: Two pre-teen boys > > were hunting rabbits with a pellet gun in a field behind their home. I guess > > if you paint with a broad enough brush, this qualifies as a "hunting > > homicide," but certainly not "mistaken identification of deer." > > Don't you love the way gun-grabbers just whip out the lies and then if > called on it simply name-call and say that pro-gunners are the liars? > It seems pretty clear from this bleeding heart ban-hunting site that > "mistaken identification for a turkey" is the most frequent accident. > I suppose that makes sense in the modern world! I suppose that excuse > would work for Cheney and the lawyer he shot. Gosh didn't Kerry > pretend to be a turkey hunter during the last election? I also loved > the hunter shot by his dog. You'd think that a dog would have the > skills to never have a "mistaken identification of a hunter for > game". :-)
Haven't recently tried to ban any guns, so I don't count as a "gun grabber". Grabbing a gun out of someone's hand is sure to result in either severe humiliation for the holder, or in me being shot. I'm getting older, not sure I'm that fast anymore.
As far as the rest of it goes, I didn't "whip out any lies". I responded to a statement with proof it was false. That would make the original poster a liar, by the way.
Matt
Matt
2007-08-22 13:28:07 EST
On Aug 22, 10:17 am, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote: > Matt wrote: > >>> Then why all the shooting deaths because of "mistaken" > >>> identification of deer? > > >> That's easy. There aren't any. > > > None? Wow. > > >http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=5493 > >http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/accident-center.html > > > Seems like maybe there are more than 'none'. > > Well, no. Your first news report was from 2005 and the sheriff said "the > investigation is continuing." Note also that the shooting occurred after > dark (law violation).
Um, I don't recall you putting conditions on it. You made the claim that there were no shootings for people mistaken as deer. In fact, there have been.
> > Your second reference is a tabulation but nowhere in the tabulation was > there any qualification as to whether the deceased needed killing.
Needed killing? When did THAT enter into it?
> > I did check the first sixteen on the list and none of them involved a > fatality. The seventeenth was indeed a report of death: Two pre-teen boys > were hunting rabbits with a pellet gun in a field behind their home. I guess > if you paint with a broad enough brush, this qualifies as a "hunting > homicide," but certainly not "mistaken identification of deer."
Really. You didn't read too well.
VERNON, Fla. -- A Jacksonville man was shot and killed accidentally by his brother while the two were hunting in the Panhandle, a Florida Fish and Wildlife spokesman said.
While the two were on the family's Washington County property Wednesday, 24-year-old Christopher Bland climbed out of a tree stand.
Apparently Bland's brother, Joseph Bland, 22, who was standing about 55 yards away, thought his brother was a deer and shot him, the spokesman said.