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Ramabriga
2007-12-10 13:45:52 EST
The 9/11 Commission Doesn't Believe It: Why Do You?
The 9/11 Commission co-chairs don't believe the 9/11 Commission Report:

* The 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the
Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false
statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free
subscription required).

* The co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission
largely operated based upon political considerations.

* Chairman Thomas Kean says “I’m upset that [the government] didn’t
tell us the truth.”

* Co-chair Hamilton says of the CIA's cover up and destruction of
tapes of interrogation of people allegedly connected with 9/11:

"Did they obstruct our inquiry? The answer is clearly yes,"
says Lee Hamilton, who co-chaired the 9/11 Commission, in the wake of
reports the CIA destroyed videotapes of interrogations of two al-Qaida
suspects. "Whether that amounts to a crime, others will have to judge,"
adds Hamilton.

* Hamilton also says "I don't believe for a minute we got
everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people
should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should
continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft"
of history.

Many of the other 9/11 Commissioners don't buy it:

* 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons
to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our
version . . . We didn't have access . . . .

* 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely
frustrated with the false statements we were getting"

* Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the
Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is
now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full
story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White
House wants to cover it up".

And many other key players in generating the Report don't believe it:

* One of the primary architects of the 9/11 Commission Report,
Ernest May, said in May 2005, "We never had full confidence in the
interrogation reports as historical sources."

* And the high-level attorney who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry,
said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was
described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had
been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This
is not true."

They don't believe it. Why do you?

Postscript: David Ray Griffin sent me the following email after reading
this post, clarifying the various stories about the conflicting
timelines of the military's response to the hijacked flights (the first
and last points cited above):

What the 9/11 Commission calls lies by the military are places
where officers have contradicted the Commission’s own new story about
why the flights were not intercepted, as I explained in the latter half
of “Omissions and Distortions” and more briefly in “Flights of Fancy”
(in Christian Faith and the Truth behind 9/11) and then again in the
first chapter of Debunking 9/11 Debunking. As I show, the idea that the
military would have deliberately told the kinds of lies alleged by the
Commission makes absolutely no sense. Why? Because the story that the
military told in “NORAD’s Response Times” (Sept. 18, 2001), and
continued to tell to the 9/11 Commission, got the military only partly
off the hook, because it left them vulnerable to the charge that they
had either stood-down their standard procedures or had been incredibly
incompetent. According to the new story told by the 9/11 Commission, the
FAA didn’t even notify the military about Flights 175, 77, and 93 until
after they had crashed. This gets the military completely off the hook,
at least for those 3 flights. If that had been the truth, it would have
been completely irrational for the military to have lied by saying that
the FAA had given them notice in time for them to have intercepted the
flights. But the 9/11 Commission could handle the contradictions between
its new story and the military’s old story only by claiming that the
military had made false statements. (And since it was hard to see how
the military officers could have been confused, the inference was made
that they had lied.)

This is not to say that the story the military had told was true.
It is possible that the old story and the new story are both false.
Indeed, I believe that to be the case. E.g., the military’s claim that
it was not notified until 9:24 about Flight 77 contradicts the FAA memo,
sent to to the Commission by Laura Brown on May 22, 2003, stating that
the FAA had been in conversation with the military about Flight 77 long
before 9:24. So the Commission knew that the military’s story was a lie.
It responded by increasing the lie by suppressing the memo and saying
that the FAA NEVER notified the military.)

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/12/they-dont-believe-it-why-do-you.html

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Al Dykes
2007-12-10 18:58:34 EST
In article <475d7d99$0$26086$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
Ramabriga <Ramabriga@gmail.com> wrote:
>The 9/11 Commission Doesn't Believe It: Why Do You?
>The 9/11 Commission co-chairs don't believe the 9/11 Commission Report:
>
> * The 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the
>Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false
>statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free
>subscription required).
>
> * The co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission
>largely operated based upon political considerations.



None of these people know you are using their names.

None of them think that anything but 4 jets hijacked by Islamists
caused all the destruction on 9/11.

Prove me wrong.

2007-12-10 20:03:58 EST
On Dec 10, 5:58 pm, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
> In article <475d7d99$0$26086$88260...@free.teranews.com>,
>
> Ramabriga <Ramabr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >The 9/11 Commission Doesn't Believe It: Why Do You?
> >The 9/11 Commission co-chairs don't believe the 9/11 Commission Report:
>
> > * The 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the
> >Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false
> >statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free
> >subscription required).
>
> > * The co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission
> >largely operated based upon political considerations.
>
> None of these people know you are using their names.
>
> None of them think that anything but 4 jets hijacked by Islamists
> caused all the destruction on 9/11.
>
> Prove me wrong.


The people who believe in the 9/11 Conspiracy are racists, pure and
simple. They are are unable to believe that non-whites could come up
with and execture such an attack, which threatens the belief in their
racial superiority. Therefore, they discount the actions of non-whites
by claiming it was a conspiricy predominately carried out by .. you
guessed it, whites.

The Truthers are closet racists.

Brandon

Snakehawk
2007-12-10 21:03:36 EST
On Dec 10, 7:03 pm, "cop...@yahoo.com" <cop...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> The people who believe in the 9/11 Conspiracy are racists, pure and
> simple. They are are unable to believe that non-whites could come up
> with and execture such an attack, which threatens the belief in their
> racial superiority. Therefore, they discount the actions of non-whites
> by claiming it was a conspiricy predominately carried out by .. you
> guessed it, whites.
>
> The Truthers are closet racists.
>

More likely, the people who blindly accept the official 9/11 version
are anti-Arab racists, while those people who reject the official
version can be considered antisemites. There are only two choices:
the attacks were the work of Arabs or the attacks were the work of
Jews. The official version concludes that the culprits were Arabs.
If it wasn't a conspiracy of Arabs, then it must have been a
conspiracy of Jews.

No other group had motive. No evidence exists pointing to any other
group. The evidence accepted by the offical 9/11 Commission report
points to Arabs. The evidence ignored by the 9/11 Commission points
to Jews. It has to be one or the other--the two groups don't
cooperate.

Either four fully loaded and occupied commercial jets were hijacked
and expertly guided at high speed over hundreds of miles to specific
targets by a ragtag bunch of minimally trained, lightly built Arabs
operating under a plan worked out by an ex-CIA operative hiding in a
cave in Afghanistan, or the plan was worked out, rehearsed, and
expertly carried out by Mossad-trained commando provocateurs working
for Israel. Take your pick.

Animal02
2007-12-10 21:09:33 EST

"snakehawk" <snakehawk@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
news:b3be9470-8d1f-4ddf-9399-76176420629f@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 10, 7:03 pm, "cop...@yahoo.com" <cop...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> The people who believe in the 9/11 Conspiracy are racists, pure and
>> simple. They are are unable to believe that non-whites could come up
>> with and execture such an attack, which threatens the belief in their
>> racial superiority. Therefore, they discount the actions of non-whites
>> by claiming it was a conspiricy predominately carried out by .. you
>> guessed it, whites.
>>
>> The Truthers are closet racists.
>>
>
> More likely, the people who blindly accept the official 9/11 version
> are anti-Arab racists, while those people who reject the official
> version can be considered antisemites. There are only two choices:
> the attacks were the work of Arabs or the attacks were the work of
> Jews. The official version concludes that the culprits were Arabs.
> If it wasn't a conspiracy of Arabs, then it must have been a
> conspiracy of Jews.
>
> No other group had motive. No evidence exists pointing to any other
> group. The evidence accepted by the offical 9/11 Commission report
> points to Arabs. The evidence ignored by the 9/11 Commission points
> to Jews. It has to be one or the other--the two groups don't
> cooperate.
>
> Either four fully loaded and occupied commercial jets were hijacked
> and expertly guided at high speed over hundreds of miles to specific
> targets by a ragtag bunch of minimally trained, lightly built Arabs
> operating under a plan worked out by an ex-CIA operative hiding in a
> cave in Afghanistan, or the plan was worked out, rehearsed, and
> expertly carried out by Mossad-trained commando provocateurs working
> for Israel. Take your pick.

<snicker> no doubt the irony of your post travels far over your head.



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Dersu Uzala
2007-12-10 21:15:21 EST
In article <fjkjra$fbl$1@panix5.panix.com>, adykes@panix.com says...
>
>In article <475d7d99$0$26086$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
>Ramabriga <Ramabriga@gmail.com> wrote:
>>The 9/11 Commission Doesn\'t Believe It: Why Do You?
>>The 9/11 Commission co-chairs don\'t believe the 9/11 Commission Report:
>>
>> * The 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the
>>Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false
>>statements, yet didn\'t bother to tell the American people (free
>>subscription required).
>>
>> * The co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission
>>largely operated based upon political considerations.
>
>
>
>None of these people know you are using their names.
>
>None of them think that anything but 4 jets hijacked by Islamists
>caused all the destruction on 9/11.
>
>Prove me wrong.


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<p><em>Happy
coincidenting!</em><p>That <a
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1019246,00.html">gove
rnments</a>
have permitted <a
href="http://www.redvoltaire.net/article694.html">terrorist
acts</a> against their <a
href="http://avantgo.thetimes.co.uk/services/avantgo/article/0,,1150429,00.htm
l">own
people</a>, and have even themselves been <a
href="http://english.terror99.ru/explosions/">perpetrators</a>
in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true,
but this is the United States we\'re talking about.<p>That
intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and
narco-criminals have a long history together is well
established, but the <a
href="http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/investigative/case1.asp">Nugan
Hand Bank</a>, <a
href="http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/11intel.htm">BCCI</a>,
<a
href="http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/operation_gladio.htm">Banco
Ambrosiano</a>, the <a
href="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Propaganda_Due">P2
Lodge</a>, the <a
href="http://www.jfklancer.com/cuba/castroplots.html">CIA/Mafia</a>
anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, <a
href="http://www.madcowprod.com/mc5012004.html">Iran/Contra</a>
and the rest were a long time ago, so there&#x2019;s no need to
rehash <a
href="http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/the_money_fountain.htm">all
that</a>. That was then, <a
href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP311A.html">this
is now</a>!<p>That Jonathan Bush&#x2019;s <a
href="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Riggs_Bank_N.A.">Riggs
Bank</a> has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds
and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew
George, but it\'s still no justification for leaping to
paranoid conclusions.<p>That George Bush\'s brother Marvin
sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided
<a
href="http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm">electronic
security</a> to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and
United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those
Bush boys have done alright for themselves.<p>That George
Bush found success as a businessman only after the
investment of Osama&#x2019;s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda
financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things -
one of those <a
href="http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B
/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html"><em>crazy</em></a>
things.<p>That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an
asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he <a
href="http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/01-11-04/discussion.cgi.28.html">still
is</a>.<p>That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict,
fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999,
while the US <a
href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/VIN204A.html">protected</a>
its cells, is merely one of history\'s little <a
href="http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MNA110A.html">aberrations</a>.<p>The
claims of <a
href="http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=104&row=1">Michael
Springman</a>, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa
bureau, that the CIA ran the office and <a
href="http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/02/521.shtml">issued
visas</a> to al Qaeda members so they could receive training
in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone
who was fired for making such wild accusations.<p>That one
of George Bush\'s first acts as President, in <a
href="http://www.complete911timeline.org">January 2001</a>,
was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines
which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda\'s
Afghanistan camps, even as the group\'s guilt for the Cole
bombing was established, proves that a transition from one
administration to the next is never an easy task.<p>That so
many <a
href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/">influential
figures</a> in and close to the <a
href="http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm">Bush
White House</a> had expressed, just a year before the
attacks, the need for a <a
href="http://pilger.carlton.com/print/124759">"new Pearl
Harbor"</a> before their <a
href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf">milita
rist
ambitions</a> could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing more
than the accidental virtue of being in the <a
href="http://www.pnac.info/">right place</a> at the right
time.<p>That the company <a
href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/021208-secure01.htm">PTECH</
a>,
founded by a Saudi financier placed on America&#x2019;s Terrorist
Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA&#x2019;s entire
computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means
he must not have been such a threat after all.<p>That
whistleblower <a
href="http://www.madcowprod.com/mc4512004.html">Indira
Singh</a> was told to keep her mouth shut and forget what
she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her
employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the
big picture. And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase
told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions about who
supplied her with what information, that "that person should
be killed," suggests he should take an anger management
seminar.<p>That on <a
href="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_ti
meline&timeperiod=2001%20-%200:05am%2011%20Sept%202001">May
8, 2001</a>, Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of
co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as
he was crafting the administration&#x2019;s energy policy which
bore <a
href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4458.htm">implications</
a>
for America\'s military, circumventing the established
infrastructure and ignoring the recommendations of the
Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be someone who
finds it hard to delegate.<p>That the standing order which
covered the <a
href="http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/d302515_021897/d302515p.pd
f">shooting
down</a> of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001,
taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it
solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply
poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error
has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after
9/11.<p>That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent <a
href="http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html">Colleen
Rowley</a> found her investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so
<a
href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html">perversely
thwarted</a> that her colleagues joked that bin Laden had a
mole at the FBI, proves the stress-relieving virtue of
humour in the workplace.<p>That <a
href="http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/02/43525.shtml">Dave
Frasca</a> of the FBI&#x2019;s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received
a promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for
investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight
schools in the summer of 2001 does appear on the surface
odd, but undoubtedly there\'s a good reason for it, quite
possibly classified.<p>That FBI informant <a
href="http://innworldreport.net/video/2004-07-02/glass.html">Randy
Glass</a>, working an undercover sting, was told by
Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade
Center towers were coming down, and that his <a
href="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/randyglass.html">repeat
ed
warnings</a> which continued until weeks before the attacks,
including the mention of planes used as weapons, were
ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many
"What Ifs" of that tragic day.<p>That over the summer of
2001 Washington received <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add
ress=104x1375723">many
urgent, senior-level warnings</a> from foreign intelligence
agencies and governments - including those of Germany,
France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco,
Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using
hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing
need for a new Intelligence Czar.<p>That John Ashcroft <a
href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml">sto
pped
flying commercial aircraft</a> in July 2001 on account of
security considerations had nothing to do with warnings
regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11
Commission.<p>That former lead counsel for the House <a
href="http://infowars.com/transcript_schippers.html">David
Schippers</a> says he&#x2019;d taken to John Ashcroft&#x2019;s office
specific warnings he&#x2019;d learned from FBI agents in New York
of an impending attack &#x2013; even naming the proposed dates,
names of the hijackers and the targets &#x2013; and that the
investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened,
proves nothing but David Schipper&#x2019;s pathetic need for
attention.<p>That <a
href="http://www.globalresearch.org/view_article.php?aid=670727528">Garth
Nicolson</a> received two warnings from contacts in the
intelligence community and one from a North African head of
state, which included specific site, date and source of the
attacks, and passed the information to the Defense
Department and the National Security Council to evidently no
effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody
has ever heard of him.<p>That in the months prior to
September 11, self-described US intelligence operative <a
href="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index-vreeland.html">Delmart
Vreeland</a> sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and
Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental
discovery of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless,
since Vreeland was a <a
href="http://www.guerrillanews.com/wildcard/vreeland_one">dubious
character</a>, notwithstanding the fact that many of his
claims have since been <a
href="http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Ar
ticle_Type1&amp;call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1070579408676%20%20&tac
odalogin=no">proven
true</a>.<p>That FBI Special Investigator <a
href="http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_2469.shtml">Robert
Wright</a> claims that agents assigned to intelligence
operations actually protect terrorists from investigation
and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into
terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a
money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism,
sounds like yet more <a
href="http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/37/news-crogan.php">sour
grapes</a> from a disgruntled employee.<p>That George Bush
had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk <a
href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-03-23-war-analysis_x.htm">b
efore
9/11</a> demonstrates only the value of being <a
href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/nov2001/afgh-n20.shtml">prepared</a>.<
p>The
suggestion that securing a <a
href="http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/oilwar1.html">pipeline</a>
across Afghanistan figured into the White House&#x2019;s
calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil
played a part in determining war in Iraq.<p>That Afghanistan
is once again the world&#x2019;s principal <a
href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MCS306A.html">heroin
producer</a> is an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA
is still <a
href="http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/DARKALLIANCE/ciaheron.html">actively
involved</a> in the narcotics trade is to presume <a
href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO404A.html">bad
faith</a> on the part of the agency.<p><a
href="http://www.billstclair.com/911timeline/main/mahmoodahmed.html">Mahmood
Ahmed</a>, chief of Pakistan&#x2019;s ISI, must not have <a
href="http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?catkey=-2128
936835&art_id=1454238160&sType=1">authorized
an al Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta</a> days
before the attacks, and was not meeting with senior
Washington officials over the week of 9/11, because I didn&#x2019;t
read anything about him in the official report.<p>That
Porter Goss <a
href="http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/76366.php">met
with Ahmed</a> the morning of September 11 in his capacity
as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent
selection by the White House to head the Central
Intelligence Agency.<p>That Goss\'s congressional seat
encompasses the 9/11 hijackers\' <a
href="http://portergoss.house.gov/">Florida base</a> of
operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the
kind of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist
<em>would</em> bring up.<p>It\'s true that George HW Bush and
Dick Cheney spent the evening of September 10 alone in the
Oval Office, but what\'s wrong with old colleagues catching
up? And it\'s true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin Laden,
Osama\'s brother, spent the morning of September 11 <a
href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,738196,00.html">to
gether</a>
at a board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens
<em>are</em> a big family.<p>That <a
href="http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2004/07/fema-in-big-apple.html">FEMA
arrived</a> in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a
scheduled biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to
go that was larger and better equipped than the one that was
lost in the collapse of WTC 7, was a lucky twist of
fate.<p><a
href="http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id2672/pg1/">Newsweek&#x201
9;s
report</a> that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights
on Sept 10 for the following day on account of security
concerns is only newsworthy because of what happened the
following morning.<p>That George Bush\'s <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add
ress=104x1819543">telephone
logs</a> for September 11 do not exist should surprise no
one, given the confusion of the day.<p>That Mohamed Atta <a
href="http://www.911independentcommission.org/airports31804.html">attended</a>
the International Officer\'s School at Maxwell Air Force
Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base
Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the
Defense Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it
<em>is</em> a <a
href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/offi-j21.shtml">small
world</a>, after all.<p>That <a
href="http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mcherald/3406502.htm">Lt
Col Steve Butler</a>, Vice Chancellor for student affairs of
the Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi\'s terms, was
<a
href="http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.06E.butler.bush.htm">disciplined</a>,
removed from his post and threatened with court martial when
he wrote "Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He
did nothing to warn the American people because he needed
this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the
President of the United States not telling the American
people what he knows for political gain," is the least that
should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander
in Chief.<p>That <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add
ress=104x1433886">Mohammed
Atta</a> dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend,
smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered
the US, enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine,
was closer to Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included
the names of defence contractors on his email list, proves
how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can
be.<p>That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet
owned by <a
href="http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/questions/flightschool/hilliard-bankrol
led-911-flight-school-and-rudi-dekkers.txt">Wally
Hilliard</a>, the owner of Atta&#x2019;s flight school, just three
weeks after Atta enrolled &#x2013; the biggest seizure ever in
Central Florida &#x2013; was just <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add
ress=104x1294206">bad
luck</a>. That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious
the claims for conspiracy truly are.<p>That <a
href="http://www.madcowprod.com/books.html">Hilliard&#x2019;s
plane</a> had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same
passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been
supplied by a pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted
CIA drug runner <a
href="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/W_plane.html">Barry
Seal</a>, and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had
been <a href="http://sanderhicks.com/benveniste.html">Seal&#x2019;s
attorney</a> before Seal&#x2019;s <a
href="http://www.wethepeople.la/seal2.htm">murder</a>, shows
nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go to
draw <a
href="http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_crime_family.html">sinister
conclusions</a>.<p><a
href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34910,00.html">Reports</a>
of <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add
ress=102x509119">insider
trading</a> on 9/11 are false, because the <a
href="http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2004-98.htm">SEC</a>
investigated and found only respectable investors who will
remain nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall
<a
href="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/12_06_01_death_profits_pt1.htm
l">profit-taking</a>
was merely, as ever, coincidental.<p>That heightened
security for the World Trade Centre was lifted <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add
ress=125x10267#10267">immediately
prior</a> to the attacks illustrates that it always happens
when you least expect it.<p>That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of
Flight 77, was <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&fo
rum=104&topic_id=976740&mesg_id=976740">so
incompetent</a> he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in
September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a
spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the
first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was
virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a
terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do
almost anything once they set their minds to it.<p>That <a
href="http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/flightdata.html">none</a>
of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable
even though they were located in the tail sections, and that
until 9/11, no solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash
had been unrecoverable, shows how there\'s a first time for
everything.<p>That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a
Koran, his driver\'s license and a <a
href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/WTC_MAIN010912.html">"how
to fly planes"</a> video in his rental car at the airport
means he had other things on his mind.<p>The mention of
Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been <a
href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html"
>arrested</a>
on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an
Israeli <a
href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index_np.html">esp
ionage
ring</a> surveiling DEA and defense installations and <a
href="http://iraq-info.1accesshost.com/schrom.html">trailing</a>
the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks
delivered to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the
first plane hit, does not deserve a response. That the
stories also appeared in publications such as <a
href="http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contras
sID=/has%5C">Ha\'aretz</a>
and <a
href="http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.03.15/news2.html">Forward</a>
is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of
the Israeli media.<p>That multiple military wargames and
simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 &#x2013; one <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add
ress=104x1298401">simulating
the crash of a plane</a> into a building; another, a <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add
ress=104x1694495">live-fly
simulation of multiple hijackings</a> &#x2013; and took many
interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused
field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft
and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less
a coincidence.<p>That the National Military Command Center
ops director asked a <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add
ress=102x631352">rookie
substitute</a> to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is
nothing more than bad timing.<p>That a <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&fo
rum=102&topic_id=535331&mesg_id=535331">recording</a>
made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers&#x2019; describing what
they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who
crushed it in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and
dropped them in different trash cans around the building, is
something no doubt that overzealous official wishes he could
undo.<p>That the FBI knew <a
href="http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=7816">precisely
which</a> Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after
the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing
their federal agents are on the ball.<p>That a <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add
ress=104x1433886">former
flight school executive</a> believes the hijackers were
"double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early
on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They
were let into this country for a specific purpose," and was
visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to
intimidate him into silence, proves he\'s an unreliable
witness, for the simple reason there <em>is no
conspiracy</em>.<p>That <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add
ress=104x1328855">Jeb
Bush was on board</a> an aircraft that removed flight school
records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept
12th demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue
of national security.<p>To insinuate evil motive from the <a
href="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=September_11%2C_2001:_Evacu
ation_of_Saudi_Nationals">mercy
flights</a> of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals
after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial
mindset.<p><a
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html">Le
Figaro&#x2019;s report</a> in October 2001, known to have
originated with French intelligence, that the CIA met Osama
bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, proves again the
perfidy of the French.<p>That <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&am
p;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;forum=104&topic_id=1719399&mesg_id=1719399">the
tape</a> in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the
attacks was released by the State Department after having
been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and
depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter
nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded
9/11.<p>That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was
surrounded on <em>three</em> sides, Special Forces received
no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand
and watch as <a
href="http://www.fayettevillenc.com/story-archive.php?Template=terrorism&Story
=37935">two
Russian-made helicopters</a> flew into the area where bin
Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned
to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern
battlefield can be.<p>That upon returning to Fort Bragg from
Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been
stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual
spree of <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&f
orum=104&topic_id=1536576#1536694">murder/suicides</a>,
is nothing more than a series of senseless
tragedies.<p>Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving
<a
href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-789042,curpg-1.cms">
periodic
dialysis treatment</a> in a Pakistani medical hospital are
simply too incredible to be true.<p>That the White House
went on <a
href="http://www.judicialwatch.org/2953.shtml">Cipro
September 11</a> shows the foresightedness of America&#x2019;s
emergency response.<p>That the anthrax was mailed to
perceived liberal media and the <a
href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/anth-j23.shtml">Democratic
leadership</a> demonstrates only the perversity of the
terrorist psyche.<p>That the <a
href="http://www.oilempire.us/anthrax.html">anthrax
attacks</a> appeared to silence opponents of the <a
href="http://www.freefromterror.net/other_articles/gov_anthrax.html">Patriot
Act</a> shows only that appearances can be deceiving.<p>That
the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at <a
href="http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03202002.shtml">Fort
Detrick</a>, and was beyond the capability of all but a few
labs to refine, underscores the importance of allowing the
investigation to continue without the distraction of <a
href="http://www.counterpunch.org/madsenanthrax.html">absurd
conspiracy theories</a>.<p>That Republican guru Grover
Norquist has been found to have <a
href="http://www.citizensoldier.org/norquist.html">aided
financiers</a> and supporters of Islamic terror to gain
access to the Bush White House, and is a founder of the
Islamic Institute, which the Treasury Department believes to
be a source of funding for al Qaeda, suggests Norquist is at
worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle of
friends.<p>That the Department of Justice consistently
chooses to see accused 9/11 plotters go free rather than
permit the <a
href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0206-04.htm">courtroom
testimony of al Qaeda leaders</a> in American custody looks
bad, but only because we don\'t have all the facts.<p>That
the White House <a
href="http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/">balked<
/a>
at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then <a
href="http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,437267,00.html">starved
it of funds</a> and <a
href="http://home.earthlink.net/~imfalse/9-11_commission_says.html">stonewalle
d</a>
it, was unfortunate, but since the commission didn\'t find
for conspiracy it\'s all a non issue anyway.<p>That the 9/11
commission\'s executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip
Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under
investigation that he <a
href="http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040115-024012-7011r">testified</a>
before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows only
an <em>apparent</em> conflict of interest.<p>That commission
chair <a>Thomas Kean</a> is, like George Bush, a Texas oil
executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda
financier <a
href="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Thomas_H._Kean">Khalid
bin Mafouz</a>, suggests Texas is smaller than they say it
is.<p>That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush
family "fixer," including clearing Bush Sr of the claims
arising from the 1980 <a
href="http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/hamiltonoctsurprise.htm">
"October
Surprise"</a>, is of no concern, since only conspiracists
believe there was <a
href="http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html">such
a thing</a> as an October Surprise.<p>That FBI whistleblower
Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&am
p;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;forum=102&topic_id=442067&mesg_id=442067">intentiona
lly
fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign
espionage ring in its translation department</a>, and claims
she witnessed evidence of the <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add
ress=102x655980">semi-official</a>
infrastructure of <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&am
p;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;forum=104&topic_id=1555133&mesg_id=1555133">mone
y-laundering</a>
and <a
href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&fo
rum=102&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;topic_id=610235&mesg_id=610235">narcot
ics
trade</a> behind the attacks, is of no account, since John
Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State
Secrets Privilege," and retroactively classified her public
testimony. For the sake of national security, let us speak
no more of her.<p>That, when commenting on Edmond\'s case, <a
href="http://www.breakfornews.com/Sibel-Edmonds1.htm">Daniel
Ellsberg</a> remarked that Ashcroft could go to prison for
his part in a cover-up, suggests Ellsberg is giving comfort
to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn\'t wise up, find
himself declared an <a
href="http://www.claremont.org/projects/jurisprudence/hamdi_ussc.html">enemy
combatant</a>.<p><I>I could go on. And on and on. But I
trust you get the point. Which is simply this: there are no
secrets, an American government would never accept civilian
casualties for geostrategic gain, and conspiracies are for
the weak-minded and gullible. </I><p>- Posted by Jeff at
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Don Ocean
2007-12-10 21:52:51 EST
Animal02 wrote:
> "snakehawk" <snakehawk@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
> news:b3be9470-8d1f-4ddf-9399-76176420629f@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 10, 7:03 pm, "cop...@yahoo.com" <cop...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> The people who believe in the 9/11 Conspiracy are racists, pure and
>>> simple. They are are unable to believe that non-whites could come up
>>> with and execture such an attack, which threatens the belief in their
>>> racial superiority. Therefore, they discount the actions of non-whites
>>> by claiming it was a conspiricy predominately carried out by .. you
>>> guessed it, whites.
>>>
>>> The Truthers are closet racists.
>>>
>> More likely, the people who blindly accept the official 9/11 version
>> are anti-Arab racists, while those people who reject the official
>> version can be considered antisemites. There are only two choices:
>> the attacks were the work of Arabs or the attacks were the work of
>> Jews. The official version concludes that the culprits were Arabs.
>> If it wasn't a conspiracy of Arabs, then it must have been a
>> conspiracy of Jews.
>>
>> No other group had motive. No evidence exists pointing to any other
>> group. The evidence accepted by the offical 9/11 Commission report
>> points to Arabs. The evidence ignored by the 9/11 Commission points
>> to Jews. It has to be one or the other--the two groups don't
>> cooperate.
>>
>> Either four fully loaded and occupied commercial jets were hijacked
>> and expertly guided at high speed over hundreds of miles to specific
>> targets by a ragtag bunch of minimally trained, lightly built Arabs
>> operating under a plan worked out by an ex-CIA operative hiding in a
>> cave in Afghanistan, or the plan was worked out, rehearsed, and
>> expertly carried out by Mossad-trained commando provocateurs working
>> for Israel. Take your pick.
>
> <snicker> no doubt the irony of your post travels far over your head.

Do you also drool a lot and drag your knuckles ? ;-p

>
>

Animal02
2007-12-11 01:27:31 EST

"Don Ocean" <ocean@amerion.com> wrote in message
news:5s6c6pF17jj7vU2@mid.individual.net...
> Animal02 wrote:
>> "snakehawk" <snakehawk@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
>> news:b3be9470-8d1f-4ddf-9399-76176420629f@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Dec 10, 7:03 pm, "cop...@yahoo.com" <cop...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> The people who believe in the 9/11 Conspiracy are racists, pure and
>>>> simple. They are are unable to believe that non-whites could come up
>>>> with and execture such an attack, which threatens the belief in their
>>>> racial superiority. Therefore, they discount the actions of non-whites
>>>> by claiming it was a conspiricy predominately carried out by .. you
>>>> guessed it, whites.
>>>>
>>>> The Truthers are closet racists.
>>>>
>>> More likely, the people who blindly accept the official 9/11 version
>>> are anti-Arab racists, while those people who reject the official
>>> version can be considered antisemites. There are only two choices:
>>> the attacks were the work of Arabs or the attacks were the work of
>>> Jews. The official version concludes that the culprits were Arabs.
>>> If it wasn't a conspiracy of Arabs, then it must have been a
>>> conspiracy of Jews.
>>>
>>> No other group had motive. No evidence exists pointing to any other
>>> group. The evidence accepted by the offical 9/11 Commission report
>>> points to Arabs. The evidence ignored by the 9/11 Commission points
>>> to Jews. It has to be one or the other--the two groups don't
>>> cooperate.
>>>
>>> Either four fully loaded and occupied commercial jets were hijacked
>>> and expertly guided at high speed over hundreds of miles to specific
>>> targets by a ragtag bunch of minimally trained, lightly built Arabs
>>> operating under a plan worked out by an ex-CIA operative hiding in a
>>> cave in Afghanistan, or the plan was worked out, rehearsed, and
>>> expertly carried out by Mossad-trained commando provocateurs working
>>> for Israel. Take your pick.
>>
>> <snicker> no doubt the irony of your post travels far over your head.
>
> Do you also drool a lot and drag your knuckles ? ;-p
>

Try match.com since you seem to be searching for someone compatible to you.

>>


Cardinal Chunder
2007-12-12 05:28:22 EST
c*b@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Dec 10, 5:58 pm, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
>> In article <475d7d99$0$26086$88260...@free.teranews.com>,
>>
>> Ramabriga <Ramabr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The 9/11 Commission Doesn't Believe It: Why Do You?
>>> The 9/11 Commission co-chairs don't believe the 9/11 Commission Report:
>>> * The 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the
>>> Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false
>>> statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free
>>> subscription required).
>>> * The co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission
>>> largely operated based upon political considerations.
>> None of these people know you are using their names.
>>
>> None of them think that anything but 4 jets hijacked by Islamists
>> caused all the destruction on 9/11.
>>
>> Prove me wrong.
>
>
> The people who believe in the 9/11 Conspiracy are racists, pure and
> simple.

Well to be fair, some of them are just stupid, paranoid, alcoholic or a
combination of all the above. Then you have those who profit from the
stupid & paranoid by peddling conspiracy books and videos.

> They are are unable to believe that non-whites could come up
> with and execture such an attack, which threatens the belief in their
> racial superiority. Therefore, they discount the actions of non-whites
> by claiming it was a conspiricy predominately carried out by .. you
> guessed it, whites.
>
> The Truthers are closet racists.
>
> Brandon

Lots of far right / left fuckwits have leapt onto the "truth" movement.
Such people just so want to believe it was the government / jews /
illuminati / freemasons / UN / NATO / aliens or whatever the hell they
*want* to have caused it that they'll conveniently handwave any and all
evidence that says otherwise.
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