The 9/11 Commission Doesn't Believe It: Why Do You? The 9/11 Commission co-chairs don't believe the 9/11 Commission Report:
* The 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).
* The co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.
* Chairman Thomas Kean says “I’m upset that [the government] didn’t tell us the truth.”
* Co-chair Hamilton says of the CIA's cover up and destruction of tapes of interrogation of people allegedly connected with 9/11:
"Did they obstruct our inquiry? The answer is clearly yes," says Lee Hamilton, who co-chaired the 9/11 Commission, in the wake of reports the CIA destroyed videotapes of interrogations of two al-Qaida suspects. "Whether that amounts to a crime, others will have to judge," adds Hamilton.
* Hamilton also says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history.
Many of the other 9/11 Commissioners don't buy it:
* 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . .
* 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"
* Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".
And many other key players in generating the Report don't believe it:
* One of the primary architects of the 9/11 Commission Report, Ernest May, said in May 2005, "We never had full confidence in the interrogation reports as historical sources."
* And the high-level attorney who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry, said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true."
They don't believe it. Why do you?
Postscript: David Ray Griffin sent me the following email after reading this post, clarifying the various stories about the conflicting timelines of the military's response to the hijacked flights (the first and last points cited above):
What the 9/11 Commission calls lies by the military are places where officers have contradicted the Commission’s own new story about why the flights were not intercepted, as I explained in the latter half of “Omissions and Distortions” and more briefly in “Flights of Fancy” (in Christian Faith and the Truth behind 9/11) and then again in the first chapter of Debunking 9/11 Debunking. As I show, the idea that the military would have deliberately told the kinds of lies alleged by the Commission makes absolutely no sense. Why? Because the story that the military told in “NORAD’s Response Times” (Sept. 18, 2001), and continued to tell to the 9/11 Commission, got the military only partly off the hook, because it left them vulnerable to the charge that they had either stood-down their standard procedures or had been incredibly incompetent. According to the new story told by the 9/11 Commission, the FAA didn’t even notify the military about Flights 175, 77, and 93 until after they had crashed. This gets the military completely off the hook, at least for those 3 flights. If that had been the truth, it would have been completely irrational for the military to have lied by saying that the FAA had given them notice in time for them to have intercepted the flights. But the 9/11 Commission could handle the contradictions between its new story and the military’s old story only by claiming that the military had made false statements. (And since it was hard to see how the military officers could have been confused, the inference was made that they had lied.)
This is not to say that the story the military had told was true. It is possible that the old story and the new story are both false. Indeed, I believe that to be the case. E.g., the military’s claim that it was not notified until 9:24 about Flight 77 contradicts the FAA memo, sent to to the Commission by Laura Brown on May 22, 2003, stating that the FAA had been in conversation with the military about Flight 77 long before 9:24. So the Commission knew that the military’s story was a lie. It responded by increasing the lie by suppressing the memo and saying that the FAA NEVER notified the military.)
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Al Dykes
2007-12-10 18:58:34 EST
In article <475d7d99$0$26086$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, Ramabriga <Ramabriga@gmail.com> wrote: >The 9/11 Commission Doesn't Believe It: Why Do You? >The 9/11 Commission co-chairs don't believe the 9/11 Commission Report: > > * The 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the >Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false >statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free >subscription required). > > * The co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission >largely operated based upon political considerations.
None of these people know you are using their names.
None of them think that anything but 4 jets hijacked by Islamists caused all the destruction on 9/11.
Prove me wrong.
2007-12-10 20:03:58 EST
On Dec 10, 5:58 pm, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote: > In article <475d7d99$0$26086$88260...@free.teranews.com>, > > Ramabriga <Ramabr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >The 9/11 Commission Doesn't Believe It: Why Do You? > >The 9/11 Commission co-chairs don't believe the 9/11 Commission Report: > > > * The 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the > >Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false > >statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free > >subscription required). > > > * The co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission > >largely operated based upon political considerations. > > None of these people know you are using their names. > > None of them think that anything but 4 jets hijacked by Islamists > caused all the destruction on 9/11. > > Prove me wrong.
The people who believe in the 9/11 Conspiracy are racists, pure and simple. They are are unable to believe that non-whites could come up with and execture such an attack, which threatens the belief in their racial superiority. Therefore, they discount the actions of non-whites by claiming it was a conspiricy predominately carried out by .. you guessed it, whites.
The Truthers are closet racists.
Brandon
Snakehawk
2007-12-10 21:03:36 EST
On Dec 10, 7:03 pm, "cop...@yahoo.com" <cop...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > The people who believe in the 9/11 Conspiracy are racists, pure and > simple. They are are unable to believe that non-whites could come up > with and execture such an attack, which threatens the belief in their > racial superiority. Therefore, they discount the actions of non-whites > by claiming it was a conspiricy predominately carried out by .. you > guessed it, whites. > > The Truthers are closet racists. >
More likely, the people who blindly accept the official 9/11 version are anti-Arab racists, while those people who reject the official version can be considered antisemites. There are only two choices: the attacks were the work of Arabs or the attacks were the work of Jews. The official version concludes that the culprits were Arabs. If it wasn't a conspiracy of Arabs, then it must have been a conspiracy of Jews.
No other group had motive. No evidence exists pointing to any other group. The evidence accepted by the offical 9/11 Commission report points to Arabs. The evidence ignored by the 9/11 Commission points to Jews. It has to be one or the other--the two groups don't cooperate.
Either four fully loaded and occupied commercial jets were hijacked and expertly guided at high speed over hundreds of miles to specific targets by a ragtag bunch of minimally trained, lightly built Arabs operating under a plan worked out by an ex-CIA operative hiding in a cave in Afghanistan, or the plan was worked out, rehearsed, and expertly carried out by Mossad-trained commando provocateurs working for Israel. Take your pick.
Animal02
2007-12-10 21:09:33 EST
"snakehawk" <snakehawk@mailandnews.com> wrote in message news:b3be9470-8d1f-4ddf-9399-76176420629f@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > On Dec 10, 7:03 pm, "cop...@yahoo.com" <cop...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> The people who believe in the 9/11 Conspiracy are racists, pure and >> simple. They are are unable to believe that non-whites could come up >> with and execture such an attack, which threatens the belief in their >> racial superiority. Therefore, they discount the actions of non-whites >> by claiming it was a conspiricy predominately carried out by .. you >> guessed it, whites. >> >> The Truthers are closet racists. >> > > More likely, the people who blindly accept the official 9/11 version > are anti-Arab racists, while those people who reject the official > version can be considered antisemites. There are only two choices: > the attacks were the work of Arabs or the attacks were the work of > Jews. The official version concludes that the culprits were Arabs. > If it wasn't a conspiracy of Arabs, then it must have been a > conspiracy of Jews. > > No other group had motive. No evidence exists pointing to any other > group. The evidence accepted by the offical 9/11 Commission report > points to Arabs. The evidence ignored by the 9/11 Commission points > to Jews. It has to be one or the other--the two groups don't > cooperate. > > Either four fully loaded and occupied commercial jets were hijacked > and expertly guided at high speed over hundreds of miles to specific > targets by a ragtag bunch of minimally trained, lightly built Arabs > operating under a plan worked out by an ex-CIA operative hiding in a > cave in Afghanistan, or the plan was worked out, rehearsed, and > expertly carried out by Mossad-trained commando provocateurs working > for Israel. Take your pick.
<snicker> no doubt the irony of your post travels far over your head.
Dersu Uzala
2007-12-10 21:15:21 EST
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In article <fjkjra$fbl$1@panix5.panix.com>, adykes@panix.com says... > >In article <475d7d99$0$26086$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, >Ramabriga <Ramabriga@gmail.com> wrote: >>The 9/11 Commission Doesn\'t Believe It: Why Do You? >>The 9/11 Commission co-chairs don\'t believe the 9/11 Commission Report: >> >> * The 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the >>Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false >>statements, yet didn\'t bother to tell the American people (free >>subscription required). >> >> * The co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission >>largely operated based upon political considerations. > > > >None of these people know you are using their names. > >None of them think that anything but 4 jets hijacked by Islamists >caused all the destruction on 9/11. > >Prove me wrong.
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<!--first blockquote gone!--> <center><i> Distribution via the Unanswered Questions Wire<br><a href= http://www.unansweredquestions.org/> http://www.unansweredquestions.org/</a> </i></center> <p><center><h3> The Coincidence Theorist\'s Guide to 9/11</h3><br><a href= http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-9 11.html> http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/</a><br>Sunday, August 15, 2004</center><p><em>AUTHOR\'S NOTE: I posted an earlier version of this last week at </em><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add ress=104x2160541"><em>Democratic Underground</em></a><em>. I\'ve added a number of more entries, and links for all.</em> <div class="article-left-box-wrapper"><div class="article-left-box">
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</div></div> <p><em>Happy coincidenting!</em><p>That <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1019246,00.html">gove rnments</a> have permitted <a href="http://www.redvoltaire.net/article694.html">terrorist acts</a> against their <a href="http://avantgo.thetimes.co.uk/services/avantgo/article/0,,1150429,00.htm l">own people</a>, and have even themselves been <a href="http://english.terror99.ru/explosions/">perpetrators</a> in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we\'re talking about.<p>That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the <a href="http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/investigative/case1.asp">Nugan Hand Bank</a>, <a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/11intel.htm">BCCI</a>, <a href="http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/operation_gladio.htm">Banco Ambrosiano</a>, the <a href="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Propaganda_Due">P2 Lodge</a>, the <a href="http://www.jfklancer.com/cuba/castroplots.html">CIA/Mafia</a> anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, <a href="http://www.madcowprod.com/mc5012004.html">Iran/Contra</a> and the rest were a long time ago, so there’s no need to rehash <a href="http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/the_money_fountain.htm">all that</a>. That was then, <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP311A.html">this is now</a>!<p>That Jonathan Bush’s <a href="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Riggs_Bank_N.A.">Riggs Bank</a> has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it\'s still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.<p>That George Bush\'s brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm">electronic security</a> to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.<p>That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osama’s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those <a href="http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B /bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html"><em>crazy</em></a> things.<p>That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he <a href="http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/01-11-04/discussion.cgi.28.html">still is</a>.<p>That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/VIN204A.html">protected</a> its cells, is merely one of history\'s little <a href="http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MNA110A.html">aberrations</a>.<p>The claims of <a href="http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=104&row=1">Michael Springman</a>, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and <a href="http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/02/521.shtml">issued visas</a> to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.<p>That one of George Bush\'s first acts as President, in <a href="http://www.complete911timeline.org">January 2001</a>, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda\'s Afghanistan camps, even as the group\'s guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.<p>That so many <a href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/">influential figures</a> in and close to the <a href="http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm">Bush White House</a> had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a <a href="http://pilger.carlton.com/print/124759">"new Pearl Harbor"</a> before their <a href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf">milita rist ambitions</a> could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the <a href="http://www.pnac.info/">right place</a> at the right time.<p>That the company <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/021208-secure01.htm">PTECH</ a>, founded by a Saudi financier placed on America’s Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA’s entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he must not have been such a threat after all.<p>That whistleblower <a href="http://www.madcowprod.com/mc4512004.html">Indira Singh</a> was told to keep her mouth shut and forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions about who supplied her with what information, that "that person should be killed," suggests he should take an anger management seminar.<p>That on <a href="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_ti meline&timeperiod=2001%20-%200:05am%2011%20Sept%202001">May 8, 2001</a>, Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the administration’s energy policy which bore <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4458.htm">implications</ a> for America\'s military, circumventing the established infrastructure and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.<p>That the standing order which covered the <a href="http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/d302515_021897/d302515p.pd f">shooting down</a> of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.<p>That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent <a href="http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html">Colleen Rowley</a> found her investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html">perversely thwarted</a> that her colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.<p>That <a href="http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/02/43525.shtml">Dave Frasca</a> of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there\'s a good reason for it, quite possibly classified.<p>That FBI informant <a href="http://innworldreport.net/video/2004-07-02/glass.html">Randy Glass</a>, working an undercover sting, was told by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers were coming down, and that his <a href="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/randyglass.html">repeat ed warnings</a> which continued until weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many "What Ifs" of that tragic day.<p>That over the summer of 2001 Washington received <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add ress=104x1375723">many urgent, senior-level warnings</a> from foreign intelligence agencies and governments - including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar.<p>That John Ashcroft <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml">sto pped flying commercial aircraft</a> in July 2001 on account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.<p>That former lead counsel for the House <a href="http://infowars.com/transcript_schippers.html">David Schippers</a> says he’d taken to John Ashcroft’s office specific warnings he’d learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack – even naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets – and that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schipper’s pathetic need for attention.<p>That <a href="http://www.globalresearch.org/view_article.php?aid=670727528">Garth Nicolson</a> received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever heard of him.<p>That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence operative <a href="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index-vreeland.html">Delmart Vreeland</a> sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a <a href="http://www.guerrillanews.com/wildcard/vreeland_one">dubious character</a>, notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been <a href="http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Ar ticle_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1070579408676%20%20&tac odalogin=no">proven true</a>.<p>That FBI Special Investigator <a href="http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_2469.shtml">Robert Wright</a> claims that agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like yet more <a href="http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/37/news-crogan.php">sour grapes</a> from a disgruntled employee.<p>That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-03-23-war-analysis_x.htm">b efore 9/11</a> demonstrates only the value of being <a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/nov2001/afgh-n20.shtml">prepared</a>.< p>The suggestion that securing a <a href="http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/oilwar1.html">pipeline</a> across Afghanistan figured into the White House’s calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil played a part in determining war in Iraq.<p>That Afghanistan is once again the world’s principal <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MCS306A.html">heroin producer</a> is an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still <a href="http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/DARKALLIANCE/ciaheron.html">actively involved</a> in the narcotics trade is to presume <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO404A.html">bad faith</a> on the part of the agency.<p><a href="http://www.billstclair.com/911timeline/main/mahmoodahmed.html">Mahmood Ahmed</a>, chief of Pakistan’s ISI, must not have <a href="http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?catkey=-2128 936835&art_id=1454238160&sType=1">authorized an al Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta</a> days before the attacks, and was not meeting with senior Washington officials over the week of 9/11, because I didn’t read anything about him in the official report.<p>That Porter Goss <a href="http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/76366.php">met with Ahmed</a> the morning of September 11 in his capacity as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the White House to head the Central Intelligence Agency.<p>That Goss\'s congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers\' <a href="http://portergoss.house.gov/">Florida base</a> of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist <em>would</em> bring up.<p>It\'s true that George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of September 10 alone in the Oval Office, but what\'s wrong with old colleagues catching up? And it\'s true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin Laden, Osama\'s brother, spent the morning of September 11 <a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,738196,00.html">to gether</a> at a board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens <em>are</em> a big family.<p>That <a href="http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2004/07/fema-in-big-apple.html">FEMA arrived</a> in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7, was a lucky twist of fate.<p><a href="http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id2672/pg1/">Newsweekȁ 9;s report</a> that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.<p>That George Bush\'s <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add ress=104x1819543">telephone logs</a> for September 11 do not exist should surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.<p>That Mohamed Atta <a href="http://www.911independentcommission.org/airports31804.html">attended</a> the International Officer\'s School at Maxwell Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it <em>is</em> a <a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/offi-j21.shtml">small world</a>, after all.<p>That <a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mcherald/3406502.htm">Lt Col Steve Butler</a>, Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi\'s terms, was <a href="http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.06E.butler.bush.htm">disciplined</a>, removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote "Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain," is the least that should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.<p>That <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add ress=104x1433886">Mohammed Atta</a> dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend, smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can be.<p>That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by <a href="http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/questions/flightschool/hilliard-bankrol led-911-flight-school-and-rudi-dekkers.txt">Wally Hilliard</a>, the owner of Atta’s flight school, just three weeks after Atta enrolled – the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida – was just <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add ress=104x1294206">bad luck</a>. That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims for conspiracy truly are.<p>That <a href="http://www.madcowprod.com/books.html">Hilliard’s plane</a> had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner <a href="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/W_plane.html">Barry Seal</a>, and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been <a href="http://sanderhicks.com/benveniste.html">Seal’s attorney</a> before Seal’s <a href="http://www.wethepeople.la/seal2.htm">murder</a>, shows nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go to draw <a href="http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_crime_family.html">sinister conclusions</a>.<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34910,00.html">Reports</a> of <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add ress=102x509119">insider trading</a> on 9/11 are false, because the <a href="http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2004-98.htm">SEC</a> investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall <a href="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/12_06_01_death_profits_pt1.htm l">profit-taking</a> was merely, as ever, coincidental.<p>That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add ress=125x10267#10267">immediately prior</a> to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.<p>That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&fo rum=104&topic_id=976740&mesg_id=976740">so incompetent</a> he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it.<p>That <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/flightdata.html">none</a> of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even though they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable, shows how there\'s a first time for everything.<p>That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver\'s license and a <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/WTC_MAIN010912.html">"how to fly planes"</a> video in his rental car at the airport means he had other things on his mind.<p>The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html" >arrested</a> on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an Israeli <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index_np.html">esp ionage ring</a> surveiling DEA and defense installations and <a href="http://iraq-info.1accesshost.com/schrom.html">trailing</a> the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does not deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications such as <a href="http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contras sID=/has%5C">Ha\'aretz</a> and <a href="http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.03.15/news2.html">Forward</a> is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of the Israeli media.<p>That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 – one <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add ress=104x1298401">simulating the crash of a plane</a> into a building; another, a <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add ress=104x1694495">live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings</a> – and took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.<p>That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add ress=102x631352">rookie substitute</a> to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing.<p>That a <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&fo rum=102&topic_id=535331&mesg_id=535331">recording</a> made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers’ describing what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, is something no doubt that overzealous official wishes he could undo.<p>That the FBI knew <a href="http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=7816">precisely which</a> Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing their federal agents are on the ball.<p>That a <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add ress=104x1433886">former flight school executive</a> believes the hijackers were "double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he\'s an unreliable witness, for the simple reason there <em>is no conspiracy</em>.<p>That <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add ress=104x1328855">Jeb Bush was on board</a> an aircraft that removed flight school records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national security.<p>To insinuate evil motive from the <a href="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=September_11%2C_2001:_Evacu ation_of_Saudi_Nationals">mercy flights</a> of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset.<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html">Le Figaro’s report</a> in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.<p>That <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&am p;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;forum=104&topic_id=1719399&mesg_id=1719399">the tape</a> in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was released by the State Department after having been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11.<p>That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on <em>three</em> sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand and watch as <a href="http://www.fayettevillenc.com/story-archive.php?Template=terrorism&Story =37935">two Russian-made helicopters</a> flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be.<p>That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual spree of <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&f orum=104&topic_id=1536576#1536694">murder/suicides</a>, is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies.<p>Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving <a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-789042,curpg-1.cms"> periodic dialysis treatment</a> in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to be true.<p>That the White House went on <a href="http://www.judicialwatch.org/2953.shtml">Cipro September 11</a> shows the foresightedness of America’s emergency response.<p>That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the <a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/anth-j23.shtml">Democratic leadership</a> demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist psyche.<p>That the <a href="http://www.oilempire.us/anthrax.html">anthrax attacks</a> appeared to silence opponents of the <a href="http://www.freefromterror.net/other_articles/gov_anthrax.html">Patriot Act</a> shows only that appearances can be deceiving.<p>That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at <a href="http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03202002.shtml">Fort Detrick</a>, and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine, underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue without the distraction of <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/madsenanthrax.html">absurd conspiracy theories</a>.<p>That Republican guru Grover Norquist has been found to have <a href="http://www.citizensoldier.org/norquist.html">aided financiers</a> and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush White House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the Treasury Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda, suggests Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle of friends.<p>That the Department of Justice consistently chooses to see accused 9/11 plotters go free rather than permit the <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0206-04.htm">courtroom testimony of al Qaeda leaders</a> in American custody looks bad, but only because we don\'t have all the facts.<p>That the White House <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/">balked< /a> at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then <a href="http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,437267,00.html">starved it of funds</a> and <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~imfalse/9-11_commission_says.html">stonewalle d</a> it, was unfortunate, but since the commission didn\'t find for conspiracy it\'s all a non issue anyway.<p>That the 9/11 commission\'s executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that he <a href="http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040115-024012-7011r">testified</a> before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows only an <em>apparent</em> conflict of interest.<p>That commission chair <a>Thomas Kean</a> is, like George Bush, a Texas oil executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda financier <a href="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Thomas_H._Kean">Khalid bin Mafouz</a>, suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is.<p>That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer," including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 <a href="http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/hamiltonoctsurprise.htm"> "October Surprise"</a>, is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was <a href="http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html">such a thing</a> as an October Surprise.<p>That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&am p;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;forum=102&topic_id=442067&mesg_id=442067">intentiona lly fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department</a>, and claims she witnessed evidence of the <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add ress=102x655980">semi-official</a> infrastructure of <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&am p;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;forum=104&topic_id=1555133&mesg_id=1555133">mone y-laundering</a> and <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&fo rum=102&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;topic_id=610235&mesg_id=610235">narcot ics trade</a> behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national security, let us speak no more of her.<p>That, when commenting on Edmond\'s case, <a href="http://www.breakfornews.com/Sibel-Edmonds1.htm">Daniel Ellsberg</a> remarked that Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up, suggests Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn\'t wise up, find himself declared an <a href="http://www.claremont.org/projects/jurisprudence/hamdi_ussc.html">enemy combatant</a>.<p><I>I could go on. And on and on. But I trust you get the point. Which is simply this: there are no secrets, an American government would never accept civilian casualties for geostrategic gain, and conspiracies are for the weak-minded and gullible. </I><p>- Posted by Jeff at 5:15 PM <p><center>**********</center><p><I>STANDARD DISCLAIMER FROM UQ.ORG: UnansweredQuestions.org does not necessarily endorse the views expressed in the above article. 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Animal02 wrote: > "snakehawk" <snakehawk@mailandnews.com> wrote in message > news:b3be9470-8d1f-4ddf-9399-76176420629f@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >> On Dec 10, 7:03 pm, "cop...@yahoo.com" <cop...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> The people who believe in the 9/11 Conspiracy are racists, pure and >>> simple. They are are unable to believe that non-whites could come up >>> with and execture such an attack, which threatens the belief in their >>> racial superiority. Therefore, they discount the actions of non-whites >>> by claiming it was a conspiricy predominately carried out by .. you >>> guessed it, whites. >>> >>> The Truthers are closet racists. >>> >> More likely, the people who blindly accept the official 9/11 version >> are anti-Arab racists, while those people who reject the official >> version can be considered antisemites. There are only two choices: >> the attacks were the work of Arabs or the attacks were the work of >> Jews. The official version concludes that the culprits were Arabs. >> If it wasn't a conspiracy of Arabs, then it must have been a >> conspiracy of Jews. >> >> No other group had motive. No evidence exists pointing to any other >> group. The evidence accepted by the offical 9/11 Commission report >> points to Arabs. The evidence ignored by the 9/11 Commission points >> to Jews. It has to be one or the other--the two groups don't >> cooperate. >> >> Either four fully loaded and occupied commercial jets were hijacked >> and expertly guided at high speed over hundreds of miles to specific >> targets by a ragtag bunch of minimally trained, lightly built Arabs >> operating under a plan worked out by an ex-CIA operative hiding in a >> cave in Afghanistan, or the plan was worked out, rehearsed, and >> expertly carried out by Mossad-trained commando provocateurs working >> for Israel. Take your pick. > > <snicker> no doubt the irony of your post travels far over your head.
Do you also drool a lot and drag your knuckles ? ;-p
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Animal02
2007-12-11 01:27:31 EST
"Don Ocean" <ocean@amerion.com> wrote in message news:5s6c6pF17jj7vU2@mid.individual.net... > Animal02 wrote: >> "snakehawk" <snakehawk@mailandnews.com> wrote in message >> news:b3be9470-8d1f-4ddf-9399-76176420629f@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >>> On Dec 10, 7:03 pm, "cop...@yahoo.com" <cop...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> The people who believe in the 9/11 Conspiracy are racists, pure and >>>> simple. They are are unable to believe that non-whites could come up >>>> with and execture such an attack, which threatens the belief in their >>>> racial superiority. Therefore, they discount the actions of non-whites >>>> by claiming it was a conspiricy predominately carried out by .. you >>>> guessed it, whites. >>>> >>>> The Truthers are closet racists. >>>> >>> More likely, the people who blindly accept the official 9/11 version >>> are anti-Arab racists, while those people who reject the official >>> version can be considered antisemites. There are only two choices: >>> the attacks were the work of Arabs or the attacks were the work of >>> Jews. The official version concludes that the culprits were Arabs. >>> If it wasn't a conspiracy of Arabs, then it must have been a >>> conspiracy of Jews. >>> >>> No other group had motive. No evidence exists pointing to any other >>> group. The evidence accepted by the offical 9/11 Commission report >>> points to Arabs. The evidence ignored by the 9/11 Commission points >>> to Jews. It has to be one or the other--the two groups don't >>> cooperate. >>> >>> Either four fully loaded and occupied commercial jets were hijacked >>> and expertly guided at high speed over hundreds of miles to specific >>> targets by a ragtag bunch of minimally trained, lightly built Arabs >>> operating under a plan worked out by an ex-CIA operative hiding in a >>> cave in Afghanistan, or the plan was worked out, rehearsed, and >>> expertly carried out by Mossad-trained commando provocateurs working >>> for Israel. Take your pick. >> >> <snicker> no doubt the irony of your post travels far over your head. > > Do you also drool a lot and drag your knuckles ? ;-p >
Try match.com since you seem to be searching for someone compatible to you.
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Cardinal Chunder
2007-12-12 05:28:22 EST
c*b@yahoo.com wrote: > On Dec 10, 5:58 pm, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote: >> In article <475d7d99$0$26086$88260...@free.teranews.com>, >> >> Ramabriga <Ramabr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> The 9/11 Commission Doesn't Believe It: Why Do You? >>> The 9/11 Commission co-chairs don't believe the 9/11 Commission Report: >>> * The 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the >>> Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false >>> statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free >>> subscription required). >>> * The co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission >>> largely operated based upon political considerations. >> None of these people know you are using their names. >> >> None of them think that anything but 4 jets hijacked by Islamists >> caused all the destruction on 9/11. >> >> Prove me wrong. > > > The people who believe in the 9/11 Conspiracy are racists, pure and > simple.
Well to be fair, some of them are just stupid, paranoid, alcoholic or a combination of all the above. Then you have those who profit from the stupid & paranoid by peddling conspiracy books and videos.
> They are are unable to believe that non-whites could come up > with and execture such an attack, which threatens the belief in their > racial superiority. Therefore, they discount the actions of non-whites > by claiming it was a conspiricy predominately carried out by .. you > guessed it, whites. > > The Truthers are closet racists. > > Brandon
Lots of far right / left fuckwits have leapt onto the "truth" movement. Such people just so want to believe it was the government / jews / illuminati / freemasons / UN / NATO / aliens or whatever the hell they *want* to have caused it that they'll conveniently handwave any and all evidence that says otherwise.