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The 2nd Coming Of Christ
2007-12-13 01:42:11 EST
let me make a statement that may hurt some trotskyists and
marxists, but illegals are breaking the god damn law and they need
to get the fuck out the united states and go back to beaner land,
you feel me? stop making god damned excuses... don't wait to get
kicked out, you get out voluntarily if you have the means and most
of you do since you survived the trip across the border...

i'm a fucking beaner and i'm saying get the fuck out, no respect
for authority, no respect for society and rules and no respect for
themselves most importantly, or for mexico... what does this say
about mexico... not good enough for you? i had no choice because i
was brought here against my will as child and now i'm unable to go
back--although i'd like to. i prefer fascist mexico to this third
world piece of shit... at least it's cohesive and homogenous and
everyone know their place... just get the fuck out....
salvadorans, guatemalans too, nicaraguans, cubans, or whatever...
life isn't easy for anybody, not even people up here so don't
think you got it worse than anyone else... i'll trade mother
fucking places with any of you pieces of shit right now...

but seriously, what's gonna happen now, stephen steinlight gonna
come on and tell me to stop quoting him? because somehow the fact
he's jewish might lead people to associate judaism with
anti-illegal immigration ideas and therefore nazi ideas?

octinomos

ps: i have a right to god damn express my views no matter what
that emperors guy may say... or steinlight... or anybody... and i
may change my position if someone makes a stronger argument to
counter mine and convinces me, but i don't think it can happen.

--

``The white "Christian" supremacists who have historically opposed either all immigration or all non-European immigration ... must not be permitted to play a prominent role in the debate over the way America responds to unprecedented demographic change. Nor should the anti-immigrant demagoguery of some black leadership be permitted to go unchallenged.'' --Stephen Steinlight

=22Tani_Jantsang=A9=22_=3Ctjsrno=40spampost=2Ecom=3E?=
2007-12-13 10:35:55 EST
Woah - PHEW - what the hell? What happaned? What are you posting in
response to? The post is just showing up on alt.s, but it's clear you were
talking to someone someplace else. Your subject line was so long it got cut
off, so I pasted it in here since, well, yeah, it's important. Btw, 100% of
what I say in chit chat convo is NOT the view of the SR or related to SR.
The SR advocates people in their own nations to struggle for the 10 things
listed in their own countries. OH, if the world was like that? There would
be peace - for sure. But, me coming on here with gripes and groans - hey,
it's just ME shooting the shit, blowing off steam, since the stuff I've been
griping about seems to be the ONLY THING that manages to get talked about
anywhere I go to hang these days. I'm told that if left on my own, I tend
to get the topic on FOOD every time. OH, reminds me, gotta tell the SR
group 2 new DELICIOUS recipes. DELICIOUS. I ought to tell my enemy troll
Victor that the recipe he or his pals loved has for that blackened fish has
been revised and made even better. And easier to make! Too bad there
aren't any people into Stargate Atlantis - and the only person that was into
Lost is gone. Oh, why don't I post the recipes? Heh, Publix already made
MONEY on one of my recipes and did I see ONE CENT of that money? NO. Also,
I'd have to maintain the html and update it too many times. I won't do
that. Perhaps a BOOKLET - I'm getting ideas. I see people sell booklets.
Anyway, see in.

"the 2nd coming of christ" <jesucristo2@netscape.net> wrote in message
Subject: ILLEGALS NEED TO FUCK OFF--AND SO DOES EMPERORS CLOTHES.
(DISCLAIMER: THESE ARE NOT THE VIEWS OF
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> let me make a statement that may hurt some trotskyists and
> marxists, but illegals are breaking the god damn law and they need
> to get the fuck out the united states and go back to beaner land,
> you feel me?

Oh, that's gonna hurt CAPITALISTS worst of all. They are the primary reason
illegals come here. To cut my pov short, I just agree with Tancredo's pov
and Roy Beck of info numbers' pov. Tho I am NOT against LEGAL immigration -
if the person immigrating is not going to immediately get into the social
welfare program - as has happened in Europe. We have enough unskilled
people in America, citizens. These people needs JOBS - not welfare. Jobs
with a living wage - or better yet - a FAMILY wage. Mexico deals very
harshly with illegals. Hard core socialist countries deal very harshly with
illegals, too. Type of gov is not the issue. Sovereignty is the issue.
They are breaking the law - and they continue to break MANY OTHER laws here.
I have to pay taxes and drive with a license and insurance. If I go to the
ER, I have to PAY - and the cost is way too high.

You see, the trotskyists and etc have this delusional idea that ALL these
"non white folks" are gonna band together and do THE revolution - and make a
worker's paradise. Uh huh. That's gonna happen just like jesus is gonna
come back and fix the whole planet for the true believers and cthulhu is
gonna come back, wipe out the humans, and make a paradise for merpeople
(deep ones) - LMAO. What I learned from debating from hard core leftists is
that 1. they really go after me if I tell them to fuck off and refuse to
agree with them - and they try to HURT me - which means that anti commie
propaganda about their tactics is TRUE, not false as I had naive thought
from having NO experience with any of it. 2. they are anti white, believing
that white people can not be proletarians! 3. they will increase RACISM and
promote RACISM in order to fuel the fires of a conflict and MAKE IT into a
race war. 3. If they invite you into a group and claim that they don't just
want Marxists but people of all kinds of politics, as soon as you prove NOT
to be a Marxist - they call you a nazi and ask the person inviting you in to
kick you out. LMAO. They are would-be tyrants, all of them - ideologues,
not dealing with reality. Marxism FAILED. Marx's predictions on capitalism
are TRUE, yes, 100% true. But Marx himself was not an ideologue. Marxism
is an ideology, no different from a FAITH, but without the gods. It's a
pipe dream.

The trouble makers, leftists and rightists both, are convincing more and
more Hispanics of all kinds, people that are citizens and who were also
against all this illegal stuff - convincing them that it's about race. And
what makes it worse, people hear an accent and immediately the suspicions
arises. yeah, that sucks. Also, well, lemme tell you about my husband's
business. It has increased TEN FOLD - and all of it is Hispanic. They are
BIG tippers too, even though he is not used to getting any tips. And who
are these entrepeneurs hiring? ILLEGALS - the have learned that this is
where the BIG BUCKS are, the FAST MONEY. OH, they charge the same money to
anyone buying or asking for services. But they PAY the people doing the
jobs pennies. So they are making a LOT LOT of money. Here, like this, - I
charge the homebuyer 300K for a house. What did it actually cost me to
build that house for the buyer? 20K. HA!! Before, it might have cost me
150K to build it - and I sell it for 300K. Money talks - bottom line.
GREED. There is the house where the stuff gets delivered - and in the
GARAGE or in a SHED - there are about 20 illegals living there. My husband
sees it every week. And Cheney can't find the illegals? LMAO. Someone
charges you 75 bucks to exterminate the house, protect from insects. They
pay the illegal 5 bucks or less to do the job. I don't see why these people
don't do what we do - and do that themselves. It's quite easy to do!

stop making god damned excuses... don't wait to get
> kicked out, you get out voluntarily if you have the means and most
> of you do since you survived the trip across the border...

2nd, NAFTA fucked up Mexico's economy BIG time.

> i'm a fucking beaner and i'm saying get the fuck out, no respect
> for authority, no respect for society and rules and no respect for
> themselves most importantly, or for mexico... what does this say
> about mexico... not good enough for you?

Yes, it does say that about Mexico - yet these people defiantly will hold up
a Mexican flag and form a bloc to vote in things favorable to the Mexican
gov. What the hell kind of DUMB is that? It's a new kind of dumb. Do they
really want parts of the USA to be exactly like the place they just left?
If they thought that out, they'd say NO.

i had no choice because i
> was brought here against my will as child and now i'm unable to go
> back--although i'd like to. i prefer fascist mexico to this third
> world piece of shit...

Where do you live? Why can't you go back? Hey, why not move down by us?
It's nice here!

at least it's cohesive and homogenous and
> everyone know their place... just get the fuck out....
> salvadorans, guatemalans too, nicaraguans, cubans, or whatever...
> life isn't easy for anybody, not even people up here so don't
> think you got it worse than anyone else... i'll trade mother
> fucking places with any of you pieces of shit right now...
>
> but seriously, what's gonna happen now, stephen steinlight gonna
> come on and tell me to stop quoting him? because somehow the fact
> he's jewish might lead people to associate judaism with
> anti-illegal immigration ideas and therefore nazi ideas?

Steinlight IS anti illegal aliens - as his long essay shows, but he's not
against it cuz it's bad for the USA. He's against it cuz it's bad for JEWS
and he just figured that out. He has his own agenda.
>
See under this quote from Steinlight, tho I have no idea where that quote
that you have from Steinlight came from.
>
> ``The white "Christian" supremacists who have historically opposed either
> all immigration or all non-European immigration ... must not be permitted
> to play a prominent role in the debate over the way America responds to
> unprecedented demographic change. Nor should the anti-immigrant
> demagoguery of some black leadership be permitted to go
> unchallenged.'' --Stephen Steinlight

His latest dumb idea is to get Jews to convert people, like lapsed
Protestants, to Judaism! WOW, I have a great idea, but I won't post that :)
The brainstorm just occurred to me in the middle of a giggle. Anyway,
convert people to the Jewish faith, that way there will be more Jews because
Jews, like Europeans, are not "breed breed breeding" and replacing
themselves. And what the fuck does HE mean "not permitted to go
unchallenged?" Oh - more of the heavy hand in operation? People who
historically opposed immigration especially non-European immigration did so
for a very damned good reason. You, for instance, are basically Catholic
(even if you don't believe anymore) - and you DO blend in, 2nd. You fit in.
You have the same values, whether you know it or not. Me and my people
well, we are such a tiny minority that it doesn't make a difference. And
he's bitching about "some black leadership? He's going to oppose them when
they have the MOST VALID argument against the illegals?

Here, LOOK at this:

QUOTE

The KKK Disbands: Leaves Their Job To Black Folks

The KKK leader stepped to the podium, his hood lowered around his

shoulders and a look of disgust on his face. He said, "Sorry guys but

this will be our last meeting; we're going out of business," A member

stood up in back. "But why sir?"

The leader sighed, "Well, reverend, the Blacks are doing a better job

getting rid of themselves than we ever did, so we are no longer needed,"

There were rumblings and protest. The leader raised his hand to silence

the Klan members, and said, "Their rap music says more vile things about

Black women than we ever thought of."

The members grudgingly nodded in approval. The Imperial Dragon

continued: "And their women write books and make songs that demean black

men better than my two speech writers ever could, looking down at two

men seated in front who lowered their heads.

"They shoot each other constantly ", he continued; "And as a group, they

spend a huge amounts of money on cars, liquor, that stuff they call

bling bling, and the proliferation of rap music -- as they talk about

all that in their magazines -- and nobody needs us to talk about how a

lot of their sorry butts keep playing the race and victim cards while

complaining that other groups are surpassing them in economic

development and supposedly getting more attention in schools. Hell, they

even support a so-called "Black Hair" DVD that a white man is making

money on, in four sequels at $20.00 a pop.

They talk about how Koreans have taken over the "black hair" industry,

without acknowledging that Black entrepreneurs had 100 years to get a

monopoly or entrenchment in the industry that Madam C.J Walker founded

100 years ago, but got out-hustled and out-strategized, while spending

investment capital elsewhere. Let's face it, they're being hoisted by

their own petards."!

Some members went looking for dictionaries, while most members nodded as

it hit them that their job was finished; that Blacks had become their

own worst enemy.

The leader shook his head. "It's time to go back to our regular lives as

policemen, judges and congressmen, and leave the business of getting rid

of Blacks to Blacks. They are just better at it than us," He then threw

his hood on the ground and walked off the stage. Thus ended the last KKK

meeting.

Epilogue....

We may hate to read this, but buried not to deep within there is a

message here. I truly hope you are able fathom it and take something

away from it. Our young people especially need to read this. WE ARE OUR

OWN WORST ENEMY.
UNQUOTE



The 2nd Coming Of Christ
2007-12-15 07:10:09 EST
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:35:55 -0500, "Tani Jantsang©"
<*o@spampost.com> wrote:

>Woah - PHEW - what the hell? What happaned? What are you posting in
>response to?

Nothing in particular. I started a whole new thread but continuing
on with previous thoughts from another thread, as can occur from
time to time.

> The post is just showing up on alt.s, but it's clear you were
>talking to someone someplace else.

it's just one of those things, i guess...

> Your subject line was so long it got cut
>off, so I pasted it in here since, well, yeah, it's important. Btw, 100% of
>what I say in chit chat convo is NOT the view of the SR or related to SR.

That's good to hear... >;)

>The SR advocates people in their own nations to struggle for the 10 things
>listed in their own countries.

Obviously if one of the 10 items had been pay allegiance to the
United States only, I couldn't have joined.

> OH, if the world was like that? There would
>be peace - for sure. But, me coming on here with gripes and groans - hey,
>it's just ME shooting the shit, blowing off steam, since the stuff I've been
>griping about seems to be the ONLY THING that manages to get talked about
>anywhere I go to hang these days. I'm told that if left on my own, I tend
>to get the topic on FOOD every time. OH, reminds me, gotta tell the SR
>group 2 new DELICIOUS recipes. DELICIOUS.

Forgot to tell you. I'm vegetarian bordering on vegan so your
recipes sound delicious and everything but I'll have to pass, but
thank you for the offer. They sound really delicious... I do it
for health reasons, not ethical. Killing can be done with honor
such as ninjas do, in the movies at least. Movies are real life to
us anyway, right? Yeah. I'm in an episode of Seinfeld right now...

>I ought to tell my enemy troll
>Victor that the recipe he or his pals loved has for that blackened fish has
>been revised and made even better. And easier to make! Too bad there
>aren't any people into Stargate Atlantis - and the only person that was into
>Lost is gone. Oh, why don't I post the recipes? Heh, Publix already made
>MONEY on one of my recipes and did I see ONE CENT of that money? NO. Also,
>I'd have to maintain the html and update it too many times. I won't do
>that. Perhaps a BOOKLET - I'm getting ideas. I see people sell booklets.
>Anyway, see in.
>
>"the 2nd coming of christ" <jesucristo2@netscape.net> wrote in message
>Subject: ILLEGALS NEED TO FUCK OFF--AND SO DOES EMPERORS CLOTHES.
>(DISCLAIMER: THESE ARE NOT THE VIEWS OF
>SR)news:4760cd44.202214613@news.sysmatrix.net...
>
>> let me make a statement that may hurt some trotskyists and
>> marxists, but illegals are breaking the god damn law and they need
>> to get the fuck out the united states and go back to beaner land,
>> you feel me?
>
>Oh, that's gonna hurt CAPITALISTS worst of all. They are the primary reason
>illegals come here.

Well, who ISN'T a capitalist... I mean... Who doesn't want to make
money. Maybe some hindu guru or what not...some freaking monk in
the alps or whatever...

> To cut my pov short, I just agree with Tancredo's pov
>and Roy Beck of info numbers' pov. Tho I am NOT against LEGAL immigration -

I am, quite frankly. I'm saying everyone stay where the fuck you
are. We have reached capacity. Maybe check back in 5 years see if
things have improved or if we had a huge catastrophe that wiped
out half the population or whatever, then we'll be ASKING people
to come...

>if the person immigrating is not going to immediately get into the social
>welfare program - as has happened in Europe. We have enough unskilled
>people in America, citizens. These people needs JOBS - not welfare. Jobs
>with a living wage - or better yet - a FAMILY wage. Mexico deals very
>harshly with illegals. Hard core socialist countries deal very harshly with
>illegals, too. Type of gov is not the issue. Sovereignty is the issue.
>They are breaking the law - and they continue to break MANY OTHER laws here.
>I have to pay taxes and drive with a license and insurance. If I go to the
>ER, I have to PAY - and the cost is way too high.
>
>You see, the trotskyists and etc have this delusional idea that ALL these
>"non white folks" are gonna band together and do THE revolution - and make a
>worker's paradise. Uh huh.

wonderful. let's all pick lettuce together... yippy!

> That's gonna happen just like jesus is gonna
>come back

hey, wait a minute... i take offense to that! ;P

>and fix the whole planet for the true believers and cthulhu is
>gonna come back, wipe out the humans, and make a paradise for merpeople
>(deep ones) - LMAO. What I learned from debating from hard core leftists is
>that 1. they really go after me if I tell them to fuck off and refuse to
>agree with them - and they try to HURT me - which means that anti commie
>propaganda about their tactics is TRUE, not false as I had naive thought
>from having NO experience with any of it. 2. they are anti white, believing
>that white people can not be proletarians! 3. they will increase RACISM and
>promote RACISM in order to fuel the fires of a conflict and MAKE IT into a
>race war. 3. If they invite you into a group and claim that they don't just
>want Marxists but people of all kinds of politics, as soon as you prove NOT
>to be a Marxist - they call you a nazi and ask the person inviting you in to
>kick you out. LMAO. They are would-be tyrants, all of them - ideologues,
>not dealing with reality. Marxism FAILED. Marx's predictions on capitalism
>are TRUE, yes, 100% true. But Marx himself was not an ideologue. Marxism
>is an ideology, no different from a FAITH, but without the gods. It's a
>pipe dream.

Sort of like Christ wasn't a christian. If Christ would see
christianity today, he'd take a shit in front of everybody. I was
gonna say he'd puke but that's considered a compliment in some
cultures. That didn't come out right. Ah, nevermind...

>
>The trouble makers, leftists and rightists both, are convincing more and
>more Hispanics of all kinds, people that are citizens and who were also
>against all this illegal stuff - convincing them that it's about race. And
>what makes it worse, people hear an accent and immediately the suspicions
>arises. yeah, that sucks. Also, well, lemme tell you about my husband's
>business. It has increased TEN FOLD - and all of it is Hispanic. They are
>BIG tippers too, even though he is not used to getting any tips. And who
>are these entrepeneurs hiring? ILLEGALS - the have learned that this is
>where the BIG BUCKS are, the FAST MONEY. OH, they charge the same money to
>anyone buying or asking for services. But they PAY the people doing the
>jobs pennies. So they are making a LOT LOT of money. Here, like this, - I
>charge the homebuyer 300K for a house. What did it actually cost me to
>build that house for the buyer? 20K. HA!! Before, it might have cost me
>150K to build it - and I sell it for 300K. Money talks - bottom line.

that's just the way of the world.

>GREED. There is the house where the stuff gets delivered - and in the
>GARAGE or in a SHED - there are about 20 illegals living there. My husband
>sees it every week. And Cheney can't find the illegals?

well, how are they able to count them then... you can't count what
you can't see, right?

>LMAO. Someone
>charges you 75 bucks to exterminate the house, protect from insects. They
>pay the illegal 5 bucks or less to do the job. I don't see why these people
>don't do what we do - and do that themselves. It's quite easy to do!

maybe they make 100 grand a year and don't give a fuck, and buy
100 dollar bottles of wine and don't give a fuck. And go out to
restaurants and spend hundreds when they could stay at home and do
it for a couple of bucks, and don't give a fuck about that...

>
>stop making god damned excuses... don't wait to get
>> kicked out, you get out voluntarily if you have the means and most
>> of you do since you survived the trip across the border...
>
>2nd, NAFTA fucked up Mexico's economy BIG time.

mexico's corruption fucked up mexico's economy.

>
>> i'm a fucking beaner and i'm saying get the fuck out, no respect
>> for authority, no respect for society and rules and no respect for
>> themselves most importantly, or for mexico... what does this say
>> about mexico... not good enough for you?
>
>Yes, it does say that about Mexico - yet these people defiantly will hold up
>a Mexican flag and form a bloc to vote in things favorable to the Mexican
>gov. What the hell kind of DUMB is that? It's a new kind of dumb. Do they
>really want parts of the USA to be exactly like the place they just left?
>If they thought that out, they'd say NO.

I guess they do. they want to bring the fascism from mexico to the
liberal united states and take it back to the stone age with them.
In mexico as a kid you NEVER saw pot. You drank a lot but that was
it. Then you come to the U.S. and EVERYONE is smoking dope all day
and all night... But your own parents who are mexican are fascist
and hate the stuff and can force the local gov which is their home
now to harrass and persecute the stoners who were totally free up
to then...and were never harrassed by anyone previously. See,
little by little the ways of fascist mexico are being implanted
into what used to be free america... that scares me more than
anything...

>
>i had no choice because i
>> was brought here against my will as child and now i'm unable to go
>> back--although i'd like to. i prefer fascist mexico to this third
>> world piece of shit...
>
>Where do you live? Why can't you go back? Hey, why not move down by us?
>It's nice here!

that was the closest i came to giving a clue that the whole thing
was an exercise in satire... you're the one who says we're headed
to being third world like, not me... I was sort of mocking you...
Mexico is the one that is third world like to me. To me third
world means old values such as patriarchy and catholicism. New
world is secular and respects women, and allows all religions and
even atheism. You want to go back to that, which is represented in
our conversations by the show 'leave it to beaver'. traditional
family values from patriarchy where every one acts the same ,
dresses the same, goes to the same church, etc. No dissenters
allowed, period. Modern society is all about dissent and anarchy,
the way I see it. Bush typifies the modern day American perfectly.

>
>at least it's cohesive and homogenous and
>> everyone know their place... just get the fuck out....
>> salvadorans, guatemalans too, nicaraguans, cubans, or whatever...
>> life isn't easy for anybody, not even people up here so don't
>> think you got it worse than anyone else... i'll trade mother
>> fucking places with any of you pieces of shit right now...
>>
>> but seriously, what's gonna happen now, stephen steinlight gonna
>> come on and tell me to stop quoting him? because somehow the fact
>> he's jewish might lead people to associate judaism with
>> anti-illegal immigration ideas and therefore nazi ideas?
>
>Steinlight IS anti illegal aliens - as his long essay shows, but he's not
>against it cuz it's bad for the USA. He's against it cuz it's bad for JEWS
>and he just figured that out. He has his own agenda.

I know that. Many latinos are anti-semitic. He's totally right
about that. I hate the bastards just as much as he does. I don't
want fucking Leave it to Beaver coming here. I've lived it all my
life and it sucked.

>>
>See under this quote from Steinlight, tho I have no idea where that quote
>that you have from Steinlight came from.

I gave you the link before. I'll get it for you again...

here: http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/back1301.html

here's an excerpt:

``Along with the trade in African slaves and the institution of
slavery and the treatment of Native Americans, America's
abandonment of the Jews to Nazi annihilation is arguably the
greatest moral failure in its history. This shameful, frightening
history has formed, as it were, the sacred moral basis for
mainstream Jewish support for generous legal immigration.''

>>
>> ``The white "Christian" supremacists who have historically opposed either
>> all immigration or all non-European immigration ... must not be permitted
>> to play a prominent role in the debate over the way America responds to
>> unprecedented demographic change. Nor should the anti-immigrant
>> demagoguery of some black leadership be permitted to go
>> unchallenged.'' --Stephen Steinlight
>
>His latest dumb idea is to get Jews to convert people, like lapsed
>Protestants, to Judaism! WOW, I have a great idea, but I won't post that :)
>The brainstorm just occurred to me in the middle of a giggle. Anyway,
>convert people to the Jewish faith, that way there will be more Jews because
>Jews, like Europeans, are not "breed breed breeding" and replacing
>themselves. And what the fuck does HE mean "not permitted to go
>unchallenged?" Oh - more of the heavy hand in operation?

maybe he means certain people that are known to be anti-semites.
Why should people who hate jews just be free to pontificate and
not have people respond, is basically what he's saying. whatever
they're saying even if it sounds good is suspect due to who these
people are, in other words.

> People who
>historically opposed immigration especially non-European immigration did so
>for a very damned good reason. You, for instance, are basically Catholic
>(even if you don't believe anymore)

I don't like labels, really. I am what iyam, as popeye would say.
I'm definitely not a Catholic any more. I consider myself a
Satanist, whatever I understand that to mean.

>- and you DO blend in, 2nd.

God forbid! ;>

>You fit in.
>You have the same values, whether you know it or not. Me and my people
>well, we are such a tiny minority that it doesn't make a difference. And
>he's bitching about "some black leadership? He's going to oppose them when
>they have the MOST VALID argument against the illegals?

I haven't read the whole thing, so I can't give you a full answer
on that right now, but if I find out something I'll attach it to
this message...as a response to it.

peace out for now,
octi

--

``The white "Christian" supremacists who have historically opposed either all immigration or all non-European immigration ... must not be permitted to play a prominent role in the debate over the way America responds to unprecedented demographic change. Nor should the anti-immigrant demagoguery of some black leadership be permitted to go unchallenged.'' --Stephen Steinlight

=22Tani_Jantsang=A9=22_=3Ctjsrno=40spampost=2Ecom=3E?=
2007-12-15 23:10:54 EST

"the 2nd coming of christ" <jesucristo2@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:35:55 -0500, "Tani Jantsang\ufffd"
> <tjsrno@spampost.com> wrote:
>
>>Woah - PHEW - what the hell? What happaned? What are you posting in
>>response to?
>
> Nothing in particular. I started a whole new thread but continuing
> on with previous thoughts from another thread, as can occur from
> time to time.
>
>> The post is just showing up on alt.s, but it's clear you were
>>talking to someone someplace else.
>
> it's just one of those things, i guess...
>
>> Your subject line was so long it got cut
>>off, so I pasted it in here since, well, yeah, it's important. Btw, 100%
>>of
>>what I say in chit chat convo is NOT the view of the SR or related to SR.
>
> That's good to hear... >;)

I blow off steam sometimes in here. LMAO. I mean, it IS the kind of convo
that seems to be "the big thing" in real life - everywhere I go, too. SR
has 10 statements - that's that. Hearing that Kaled Mohammed guy ranting
like that - and I listened to other stuff he said, and his debate with that
white conspiracy theory guy - PHEW - well, it brings back BAD memories of
shit that happened in NJ, black on non-black shit. And that fucker Sharpton
supported this racist piece of shit - talking about KILLING white women
(baby factories) and white babies. Genocide man. HE can get away with HATE
speech - worse than the KKK, man. I posted it - it's the Islam post I made.
You ought to read that! HOLY SHIT.

>
>>The SR advocates people in their own nations to struggle for the 10 things
>>listed in their own countries.
>
> Obviously if one of the 10 items had been pay allegiance to the
> United States only, I couldn't have joined.

Well, citizens in sovereign nations should do that. The statements mention
citizenry.
>
>> OH, if the world was like that? There would
>>be peace - for sure. But, me coming on here with gripes and groans - hey,
>>it's just ME shooting the shit, blowing off steam, since the stuff I've
>>been
>>griping about seems to be the ONLY THING that manages to get talked about
>>anywhere I go to hang these days. I'm told that if left on my own, I tend
>>to get the topic on FOOD every time. OH, reminds me, gotta tell the SR
>>group 2 new DELICIOUS recipes. DELICIOUS.
>
> Forgot to tell you. I'm vegetarian bordering on vegan so your
> recipes sound delicious and everything but I'll have to pass, but
> thank you for the offer. They sound really delicious...

OH, heh, they are - and I have a new one too, for mussels. DELICIOUS.

I do it
> for health reasons, not ethical.

? you can't eat meat or sea food?


Killing can be done with honor
> such as ninjas do, in the movies at least. Movies are real life to
> us anyway, right? Yeah. I'm in an episode of Seinfeld right now...

LMAO - OH, I never ever saw Seinfeld - but hearing it was as funny as "The
Nanny" I got all 9 seasons of it, all of Seinfeld. One of these days, I'll
start watching - it will have to be when it's too cold to even sit on the
beach.
>
>>I ought to tell my enemy troll
>>Victor that the recipe he or his pals loved has for that blackened fish
>>has
>>been revised and made even better. And easier to make! Too bad there
>>aren't any people into Stargate Atlantis - and the only person that was
>>into
>>Lost is gone. Oh, why don't I post the recipes? Heh, Publix already made
>>MONEY on one of my recipes and did I see ONE CENT of that money? NO.
>>Also,
>>I'd have to maintain the html and update it too many times. I won't do
>>that. Perhaps a BOOKLET - I'm getting ideas. I see people sell booklets.
>>Anyway, see in.
>>
>>"the 2nd coming of christ" <jesucristo2@netscape.net> wrote in message
>>Subject: ILLEGALS NEED TO FUCK OFF--AND SO DOES EMPERORS CLOTHES.
>>(DISCLAIMER: THESE ARE NOT THE VIEWS OF
>>SR)news:4760cd44.202214613@news.sysmatrix.net...
>>
>>> let me make a statement that may hurt some trotskyists and
>>> marxists, but illegals are breaking the god damn law and they need
>>> to get the fuck out the united states and go back to beaner land,
>>> you feel me?
>>
>>Oh, that's gonna hurt CAPITALISTS worst of all. They are the primary
>>reason
>>illegals come here.
>
> Well, who ISN'T a capitalist... I mean... Who doesn't want to make
> money. Maybe some hindu guru or what not...some freaking monk in
> the alps or whatever...
>
>> To cut my pov short, I just agree with Tancredo's pov
>>and Roy Beck of info numbers' pov. Tho I am NOT against LEGAL
>>immigration -
>
> I am, quite frankly. I'm saying everyone stay where the fuck you
> are. We have reached capacity. Maybe check back in 5 years see if
> things have improved or if we had a huge catastrophe that wiped
> out half the population or whatever, then we'll be ASKING people
> to come...

Well, the USA is in OH MY GOD such BIG trouble - and I see no way out of it.
>
>>if the person immigrating is not going to immediately get into the social
>>welfare program - as has happened in Europe. We have enough unskilled
>>people in America, citizens. These people needs JOBS - not welfare. Jobs
>>with a living wage - or better yet - a FAMILY wage. Mexico deals very
>>harshly with illegals. Hard core socialist countries deal very harshly
>>with
>>illegals, too. Type of gov is not the issue. Sovereignty is the issue.
>>They are breaking the law - and they continue to break MANY OTHER laws
>>here.
>>I have to pay taxes and drive with a license and insurance. If I go to
>>the
>>ER, I have to PAY - and the cost is way too high.
>>
>>You see, the trotskyists and etc have this delusional idea that ALL these
>>"non white folks" are gonna band together and do THE revolution - and make
>>a
>>worker's paradise. Uh huh.
>
> wonderful. let's all pick lettuce together... yippy!

LMAO. You pick the lettuce. I'll hunt for meat :) Or I'll be the foxy
lady and raid the hens and get eggs. OH, sunny side up fried eggs - problem
is that they don't taste like 1950s eggs, which were delicious. Really.
>
>> That's gonna happen just like jesus is gonna
>>come back
>
> hey, wait a minute... i take offense to that! ;P

LMAO. OH, you are here already :) Just call me Mary :) HA!! Looky here,
son..... and all that.
>
>>and fix the whole planet for the true believers and cthulhu is
>>gonna come back, wipe out the humans, and make a paradise for merpeople
>>(deep ones) - LMAO. What I learned from debating from hard core leftists
>>is
>>that 1. they really go after me if I tell them to fuck off and refuse to
>>agree with them - and they try to HURT me - which means that anti commie
>>propaganda about their tactics is TRUE, not false as I had naive thought
>>from having NO experience with any of it. 2. they are anti white,
>>believing
>>that white people can not be proletarians! 3. they will increase RACISM
>>and
>>promote RACISM in order to fuel the fires of a conflict and MAKE IT into a
>>race war. 3. If they invite you into a group and claim that they don't
>>just
>>want Marxists but people of all kinds of politics, as soon as you prove
>>NOT
>>to be a Marxist - they call you a nazi and ask the person inviting you in
>>to
>>kick you out. LMAO. They are would-be tyrants, all of them - ideologues,
>>not dealing with reality. Marxism FAILED. Marx's predictions on
>>capitalism
>>are TRUE, yes, 100% true. But Marx himself was not an ideologue. Marxism
>>is an ideology, no different from a FAITH, but without the gods. It's a
>>pipe dream.
>
> Sort of like Christ wasn't a christian. If Christ would see
> christianity today, he'd take a shit in front of everybody. I was
> gonna say he'd puke but that's considered a compliment in some
> cultures. That didn't come out right. Ah, nevermind...

LOL. Speaking of LOL, I was in the middle of a sip of coffee (AGAIN, when
will I learn) and I just reread what I wrote - and yeah, busted out
laughing. The merpeople thing.
>
>>
>>The trouble makers, leftists and rightists both, are convincing more and
>>more Hispanics of all kinds, people that are citizens and who were also
>>against all this illegal stuff - convincing them that it's about race.
>>And
>>what makes it worse, people hear an accent and immediately the suspicions
>>arises. yeah, that sucks. Also, well, lemme tell you about my husband's
>>business. It has increased TEN FOLD - and all of it is Hispanic. They
>>are
>>BIG tippers too, even though he is not used to getting any tips. And who
>>are these entrepeneurs hiring? ILLEGALS - the have learned that this is
>>where the BIG BUCKS are, the FAST MONEY. OH, they charge the same money
>>to
>>anyone buying or asking for services. But they PAY the people doing the
>>jobs pennies. So they are making a LOT LOT of money. Here, like this, - I
>>charge the homebuyer 300K for a house. What did it actually cost me to
>>build that house for the buyer? 20K. HA!! Before, it might have cost me
>>150K to build it - and I sell it for 300K. Money talks - bottom line.
>
> that's just the way of the world.

Well, Gene Roddenberry had a better idea - and yeah, that's idealism - but -
it's NOT that far off when it comes to the technology - if people would only
develop it. A society NOT motivated by greed.
>
>>GREED. There is the house where the stuff gets delivered - and in the
>>GARAGE or in a SHED - there are about 20 illegals living there. My
>>husband
>>sees it every week. And Cheney can't find the illegals?
>
> well, how are they able to count them then... you can't count what
> you can't see, right?

My husband can see them! They know he's not "immigre" so they don't hide.
>
>>LMAO. Someone
>>charges you 75 bucks to exterminate the house, protect from insects. They
>>pay the illegal 5 bucks or less to do the job. I don't see why these
>>people
>>don't do what we do - and do that themselves. It's quite easy to do!
>
> maybe they make 100 grand a year and don't give a fuck, and buy
> 100 dollar bottles of wine and don't give a fuck. And go out to
> restaurants and spend hundreds when they could stay at home and do
> it for a couple of bucks, and don't give a fuck about that...

LAZINESS - another problem.
>
>>
>>stop making god damned excuses... don't wait to get
>>> kicked out, you get out voluntarily if you have the means and most
>>> of you do since you survived the trip across the border...
>>
>>2nd, NAFTA fucked up Mexico's economy BIG time.
>
> mexico's corruption fucked up mexico's economy.

Then the people there need to FIX that. I said it elsewhere, we no longer
have a nation here - it's a fucking madhouse. meanwhile, I got at least 2
trolls obsessing over what I do, or the DDocs. And at least one of them
imagning the most insane shit. Why am I surprised? I thought they were
people with minds. I was wrong.
>
>>
>>> i'm a fucking beaner and i'm saying get the fuck out, no respect
>>> for authority, no respect for society and rules and no respect for
>>> themselves most importantly, or for mexico... what does this say
>>> about mexico... not good enough for you?
>>
>>Yes, it does say that about Mexico - yet these people defiantly will hold
>>up
>>a Mexican flag and form a bloc to vote in things favorable to the Mexican
>>gov. What the hell kind of DUMB is that? It's a new kind of dumb. Do
>>they
>>really want parts of the USA to be exactly like the place they just left?
>>If they thought that out, they'd say NO.
>
> I guess they do. they want to bring the fascism from mexico to the
> liberal united states and take it back to the stone age with them.

Well, that's stupid. Really stupid.

> In mexico as a kid you NEVER saw pot. You drank a lot but that was
> it. Then you come to the U.S. and EVERYONE is smoking dope all day
> and all night... But your own parents who are mexican are fascist
> and hate the stuff and can force the local gov which is their home
> now to harrass and persecute the stoners who were totally free up
> to then...and were never harrassed by anyone previously. See,
> little by little the ways of fascist mexico are being implanted
> into what used to be free america... that scares me more than
> anything...

I think you lost me. I don't regarding good family values as fascist.
Only the PC liars would say that. I don't know anyone that uses pot - and I
never hung out with anyone that was into that either - not that or any other
drug. I know a LOT of people, 2nd, in two private clubs. One of those
clubs is national - maybe international, I'm not sure. They have schools,
retiree homes, it's BIG. The other is supposed to be an ethnic club, but
all kinds of people go there. The German American club - the last person in
charge of entertainment was Puerto Rican. Her husband was Hungarian. LOL.
No matter, they do Mariachi music - but they sing it in German. It's the
same music! Waltz, Polka, Tango, Beguine, Samba, that kind of thing. We
ballroom dance. Or you might call it Latin Dancing - but it's the same
thing :) So yeah, I like it :) Fado music sounds like Russian music - OH
GOD it is beautiful. Want CD? Gimme an addy in the sr egroup and I'll
mail you HEAPS of Fado music. It's BEAUTIFUL, man. That stuff makes me
CRY - and I can't even understand what she's saying!
>
>>
>>i had no choice because i
>>> was brought here against my will as child and now i'm unable to go
>>> back--although i'd like to. i prefer fascist mexico to this third
>>> world piece of shit...
>>
>>Where do you live? Why can't you go back? Hey, why not move down by us?
>>It's nice here!
>
> that was the closest i came to giving a clue that the whole thing
> was an exercise in satire... you're the one who says we're headed
> to being third world like, not me... I was sort of mocking you...
> Mexico is the one that is third world like to me. To me third
> world means old values such as patriarchy and catholicism.

OH, no no. Africa is the 3rd world. The first world was BUILT by people
with strong family values, 2nd. Leave it to beaver - that is the kind of
people that were here - that MADE this a top rate nation. This nation is
slipping further down the line - in education we are the bottom. We used to
be at the TOP. American goods used to be top rate, the best. Now they are
shit. Manufacturing ain't even hardly here anymore. Your use of the words
1st and 3rd world are not what people mean! You need to understand that old
values Anglo commonwealth style are NOT the same as Mediterranean or Latin
old values at all.

New
> world is secular and respects women, and allows all religions and
> even atheism. You want to go back to that, which is represented in
> our conversations by the show 'leave it to beaver'. traditional
> family values from patriarchy where every one acts the same ,
> dresses the same, goes to the same church, etc.

That is not what it was like - and I made enough posts about it and I hope
you read them. The place WAS secular back then, very much so. Nobody
dressed the same, or acted the same. Nobody ever mentioned church or
religion on that show, 2nd. Traditional family values NW European style are
NOTHING LIKE traditional values mediterranea or latin style. Beaver show -
that was NW European style - which is what used to be here. It was VERY
free. It was also VERY secular. You need to understand that I was alive
and well back then in those days. I remember very clearly what it was
like - and when it changed it got like everyone had to think the same, speak
the same party line, look the same. Before - it was NOT like that at all.
There was nothing to "fit" into back then. Not everyone had a TV, or was
able to get the channels back then. So there was NO major media to convey
that kind of "fit in" thing. Go read what I posted about it - I saved those
posts, btw. I can email them to you if you want. The problem with today is
that you can NOT allow all religions when one or two of those religions is
INTOLERANT and demands that YOU convert! Tolerance can't live side by side
with intolerance. It's just not possible.

No dissenters
> allowed, period. Modern society is all about dissent and anarchy,
> the way I see it. Bush typifies the modern day American perfectly.

I have to disagree. There is NO real dissent anymore. Everything is
guarded by the PC thought cops. Back then, there was a LOT of dissent and
vastly different opinions held by people even in the same family. You have
a very warped idea of what it was like - probably because you weren't there!
Ever notice that beaver goes out and plays, or spanky and the gang, the
little rascals - that kind of thing - no adults are there supervising those
kids. They are FREE to play. That is what it was like when I was a kid. I
could be anywhere - no adults were there to watch us. We played. No adults
interfered. It was literally like another world back then. Then things
changed - things got SUFFOCATING. Kids today - it's HELL for them. Even
those horrible car seats are HELL. It was NOTHING like that. No seat belt
laws. No law saying you HAD to have insurance. It was a LOT freer.

Traditional "beaver" USA was nothing like tradition Mexico. Mexico with its
patriarchy and religion were seen as BACKWARD. The USA was nothing like
that. NW European values and common law was more common - and that is ALL a
lot freer.
>
>>
>>at least it's cohesive and homogenous and
>>> everyone know their place... just get the fuck out....
>>> salvadorans, guatemalans too, nicaraguans, cubans, or whatever...
>>> life isn't easy for anybody, not even people up here so don't
>>> think you got it worse than anyone else... i'll trade mother
>>> fucking places with any of you pieces of shit right now...
>>>
>>> but seriously, what's gonna happen now, stephen steinlight gonna
>>> come on and tell me to stop quoting him? because somehow the fact
>>> he's jewish might lead people to associate judaism with
>>> anti-illegal immigration ideas and therefore nazi ideas?
>>
>>Steinlight IS anti illegal aliens - as his long essay shows, but he's not
>>against it cuz it's bad for the USA. He's against it cuz it's bad for
>>JEWS
>>and he just figured that out. He has his own agenda.
>
> I know that. Many latinos are anti-semitic. He's totally right
> about that. I hate the bastards just as much as he does. I don't
> want fucking Leave it to Beaver coming here. I've lived it all my
> life and it sucked.

NO - unfortuantely, you have never ever lived Beaver. You have no clue even
what I'm talking about - yet I tried my best to convey it. At least READ
what I said because I was there back then. There were a lot LESS laws back
then. Look, I did my best to explain it. You are just SO wrong about what
you think it was like. To be a kid back then - was to be FREE, really free.
I feel sorry for kids today. I used to make money babysitting when I was 9.
Today, 9 year old kids have to BE babysat. Kids can not be free of adult
supevision, they are molly coddled. It's HELL.
>
>>>
>>See under this quote from Steinlight, tho I have no idea where that quote
>>that you have from Steinlight came from.
>
> I gave you the link before. I'll get it for you again...
>
> here: http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/back1301.html
>
> here's an excerpt:
>
> ``Along with the trade in African slaves and the institution of
> slavery and the treatment of Native Americans, America's
> abandonment of the Jews to Nazi annihilation is arguably the
> greatest moral failure in its history. This shameful, frightening
> history has formed, as it were, the sacred moral basis for
> mainstream Jewish support for generous legal immigration.''

Well, his 2 doesn't add up with 2 to make 4 there. If Churchill didn't go
and attack Germany for no reason at all, the Jews would NOT have had a
holocaust. MOral failure? It's not a moral failure to look out for your
OWN nation. Encouraging immigration is obviously NOT helping Jews. They
aren't encouraging JEWISH immigration. They are encouraging immigration -
and well - a lot of people dislike Jews. Maybe more than just one of them
should ask HOW COME?
>
>>>
>>> ``The white "Christian" supremacists who have historically opposed
>>> either
>>> all immigration or all non-European immigration ... must not be
>>> permitted
>>> to play a prominent role in the debate over the way America responds to
>>> unprecedented demographic change. Nor should the anti-immigrant
>>> demagoguery of some black leadership be permitted to go
>>> unchallenged.'' --Stephen Steinlight
>>
>>His latest dumb idea is to get Jews to convert people, like lapsed
>>Protestants, to Judaism! WOW, I have a great idea, but I won't post that
>>:)
>>The brainstorm just occurred to me in the middle of a giggle. Anyway,
>>convert people to the Jewish faith, that way there will be more Jews
>>because
>>Jews, like Europeans, are not "breed breed breeding" and replacing
>>themselves. And what the fuck does HE mean "not permitted to go
>>unchallenged?" Oh - more of the heavy hand in operation?
>
> maybe he means certain people that are known to be anti-semites.
> Why should people who hate jews just be free to pontificate and
> not have people respond, is basically what he's saying. whatever
> they're saying even if it sounds good is suspect due to who these
> people are, in other words.

Freedom of speech is no longer allowed. Back in the 50s, there was a LOT
MORE free speech going on - in the open. So what if people are anti
semites? Lots of blacks hate Jews. SO? Maybe they have a reason. It's
not morally right or wrong to like or to dislike - to love or to hate. It's
feelings - and those feelings come from somewhere. You know, going on and
on, trying to put guilt on people that don't give a shit about Jews - going
on and on with that kind of heavy hand - DOES NOT make people LIKE Jews. It
makes them notice what they are up to - and maybe start to HATE them when
before, they might have never thought about Jews one way or the other. They
are NOT special people. I could care less about them - or the Arabs or any
of those Semites. They are ALL Semites, you know. I don't feel a thing for
them - but it's really easy to DESPISE them for what they are doing. BOTH
Moslems AND Jews. Trouble, nothing but trouble. I don't care about blacks
either. I just don't. No use in pretending I do. But in the 50s, I'd be
able to just say that - NO BIG DEAL. Today, oh boy, I say that in the open
and I get attacked from all sides. And that only makes it WORSE.
>
>> People who
>>historically opposed immigration especially non-European immigration did
>>so
>>for a very damned good reason. You, for instance, are basically Catholic
>>(even if you don't believe anymore)
>
> I don't like labels, really. I am what iyam, as popeye would say.
> I'm definitely not a Catholic any more. I consider myself a
> Satanist, whatever I understand that to mean.

OK.
>
>>- and you DO blend in, 2nd.
>
> God forbid! ;>
>
>>You fit in.
>>You have the same values, whether you know it or not. Me and my people
>>well, we are such a tiny minority that it doesn't make a difference. And
>>he's bitching about "some black leadership? He's going to oppose them
>>when
>>they have the MOST VALID argument against the illegals?
>
> I haven't read the whole thing, so I can't give you a full answer
> on that right now, but if I find out something I'll attach it to
> this message...as a response to it.

OK.
>
> peace out for now,
> octi
>
> --
>
> ``The white "Christian" supremacists who have historically opposed either
> all immigration or all non-European immigration ... must not be permitted
> to play a prominent role in the debate over the way America responds to
> unprecedented demographic change. Nor should the anti-immigrant
> demagoguery of some black leadership be permitted to go
> unchallenged.'' --Stephen Steinlight



The 2nd Coming Of Christ
2007-12-16 13:15:02 EST
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:10:54 -0500, "Tani Jantsang\ufffd"
<*o@spampost.com> wrote:

>> Obviously if one of the 10 items had been pay allegiance to the
>> United States only, I couldn't have joined.
>
>Well, citizens in sovereign nations should do that. The statements mention
>citizenry.

I'm not sure which item you're referring to.

>>
>>> OH, if the world was like that? There would
>>>be peace - for sure. But, me coming on here with gripes and groans - hey,
>>>it's just ME shooting the shit, blowing off steam, since the stuff I've
>>>been
>>>griping about seems to be the ONLY THING that manages to get talked about
>>>anywhere I go to hang these days. I'm told that if left on my own, I tend
>>>to get the topic on FOOD every time. OH, reminds me, gotta tell the SR
>>>group 2 new DELICIOUS recipes. DELICIOUS.
>>
>> Forgot to tell you. I'm vegetarian bordering on vegan so your
>> recipes sound delicious and everything but I'll have to pass, but
>> thank you for the offer. They sound really delicious...
>
>OH, heh, they are - and I have a new one too, for mussels. DELICIOUS.
>
>I do it
>> for health reasons, not ethical.
>
>? you can't eat meat or sea food?

i don't want to. i could, but out of health reasons do not.

>
>
>
>> In mexico as a kid you NEVER saw pot. You drank a lot but that was
>> it. Then you come to the U.S. and EVERYONE is smoking dope all day
>> and all night... But your own parents who are mexican are fascist
>> and hate the stuff and can force the local gov which is their home
>> now to harrass and persecute the stoners who were totally free up
>> to then...and were never harrassed by anyone previously. See,
>> little by little the ways of fascist mexico are being implanted
>> into what used to be free america... that scares me more than
>> anything...
>
>I think you lost me. I don't regarding good family values as fascist.
>Only the PC liars would say that. I don't know anyone that uses pot - and I
>never hung out with anyone that was into that either

i know. you're pro 'leave it to beaver' , i'm anti- 'leave it to
beaver' . that's well established. i just think people should be
free to smoke pot or ingest any substance, really. just like
they're allowed to risk their life skiing or parachuting or what
not. what's more dangerous, here...

>- not that or any other
>drug. I know a LOT of people, 2nd, in two private clubs. One of those
>clubs is national - maybe international, I'm not sure. They have schools,
>retiree homes, it's BIG. The other is supposed to be an ethnic club, but
>all kinds of people go there. The German American club - the last person in
>charge of entertainment was Puerto Rican. Her husband was Hungarian. LOL.
>No matter, they do Mariachi music - but they sing it in German. It's the
>same music! Waltz, Polka, Tango, Beguine, Samba, that kind of thing. We
>ballroom dance. Or you might call it Latin Dancing - but it's the same
>thing :) So yeah, I like it :) Fado music sounds like Russian music - OH
>GOD it is beautiful. Want CD? Gimme an addy in the sr egroup and I'll
>mail you HEAPS of Fado music. It's BEAUTIFUL, man. That stuff makes me
>CRY - and I can't even understand what she's saying!
>>
>>>
>>>i had no choice because i
>>>> was brought here against my will as child and now i'm unable to go
>>>> back--although i'd like to. i prefer fascist mexico to this third
>>>> world piece of shit...
>>>
>>>Where do you live? Why can't you go back? Hey, why not move down by us?
>>>It's nice here!
>>
>> that was the closest i came to giving a clue that the whole thing
>> was an exercise in satire... you're the one who says we're headed
>> to being third world like, not me... I was sort of mocking you...
>> Mexico is the one that is third world like to me. To me third
>> world means old values such as patriarchy and catholicism.
>
>OH, no no. Africa is the 3rd world. The first world was BUILT by people
>with strong family values, 2nd. Leave it to beaver - that is the kind of
>people that were here - that MADE this a top rate nation.

well, slaves built a lot of it...

> This nation is
>slipping further down the line - in education we are the bottom. We used to
>be at the TOP. American goods used to be top rate, the best. Now they are
>shit. Manufacturing ain't even hardly here anymore. Your use of the words
>1st and 3rd world are not what people mean! You need to understand that old
>values Anglo commonwealth style are NOT the same as Mediterranean or Latin
>old values at all.

i understand it in terms of old aeon vs new aeon.

>
>New
>> world is secular and respects women, and allows all religions and
>> even atheism. You want to go back to that, which is represented in
>> our conversations by the show 'leave it to beaver'. traditional
>> family values from patriarchy where every one acts the same ,
>> dresses the same, goes to the same church, etc.
>
>That is not what it was like - and I made enough posts about it and I hope
>you read them. The place WAS secular back then, very much so. Nobody
>dressed the same, or acted the same. Nobody ever mentioned church or
>religion on that show, 2nd. Traditional family values NW European style are
>NOTHING LIKE traditional values mediterranea or latin style. Beaver show -
>that was NW European style - which is what used to be here. It was VERY
>free. It was also VERY secular. You need to understand that I was alive
>and well back then in those days. I remember very clearly what it was
>like - and when it changed it got like everyone had to think the same, speak
>the same party line, look the same. Before - it was NOT like that at all.
>There was nothing to "fit" into back then. Not everyone had a TV, or was
>able to get the channels back then. So there was NO major media to convey
>that kind of "fit in" thing. Go read what I posted about it - I saved those
>posts, btw. I can email them to you if you want. The problem with today is
>that you can NOT allow all religions when one or two of those religions is
>INTOLERANT and demands that YOU convert! Tolerance can't live side by side
>with intolerance. It's just not possible.

allowing any religion opens the door for the bullshit extremists
to enter in and spew their hate. they do it under the guise of
holiness.

>
> No dissenters
>> allowed, period. Modern society is all about dissent and anarchy,
>> the way I see it. Bush typifies the modern day American perfectly.
>
>I have to disagree. There is NO real dissent anymore. Everything is
>guarded by the PC thought cops. Back then, there was a LOT of dissent and
>vastly different opinions held by people even in the same family. You have
>a very warped idea of what it was like - probably because you weren't there!
>Ever notice that beaver goes out and plays, or spanky and the gang, the
>little rascals - that kind of thing - no adults are there supervising those
>kids. They are FREE to play. That is what it was like when I was a kid. I
>could be anywhere - no adults were there to watch us. We played. No adults
>interfered. It was literally like another world back then. Then things
>changed - things got SUFFOCATING. Kids today - it's HELL for them. Even
>those horrible car seats are HELL. It was NOTHING like that. No seat belt
>laws. No law saying you HAD to have insurance. It was a LOT freer.

it was a lot freer for me too when i first move here, you could
walk around with a bong in your hand doing bong loads in the
middle of the street. now adays you can't even smoke cigarettes.

>
>Traditional "beaver" USA was nothing like tradition Mexico. Mexico with its
>patriarchy and religion were seen as BACKWARD.

oh, that's good then... i just always thought mexico patterned
itself after the US. so whatever i was living in mexico as a kid,
i understood that to be the exact same thing as the united states
at that time. which was the 60s. since all the shows that were
shaping me culturally where american shows... get it?

>The USA was nothing like
>that. NW European values and common law was more common - and that is ALL a
>lot freer.

except if you were black.



>>>>
>>>See under this quote from Steinlight, tho I have no idea where that quote
>>>that you have from Steinlight came from.
>>
>> I gave you the link before. I'll get it for you again...
>>
>> here: http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/back1301.html
>>
>> here's an excerpt:
>>
>> ``Along with the trade in African slaves and the institution of
>> slavery and the treatment of Native Americans, America's
>> abandonment of the Jews to Nazi annihilation is arguably the
>> greatest moral failure in its history. This shameful, frightening
>> history has formed, as it were, the sacred moral basis for
>> mainstream Jewish support for generous legal immigration.''
>
>Well, his 2 doesn't add up with 2 to make 4 there. If Churchill didn't go
>and attack Germany for no reason at all, the Jews would NOT have had a
>holocaust. MOral failure? It's not a moral failure to look out for your
>OWN nation. Encouraging immigration is obviously NOT helping Jews.

i know but their usual stance was 'they're not gonna do to others
what others did to them keeping them out and causing the
holocaust', not that there's a holocaust but just the principle of
the matter...but it looked like he was now saying 'maybe it does
matter that it's not about persecution' because he's trying to
find ways to get out of that paradigm that they have been
operating under, but i've yet to read the whole thing so i'm sure
i'll find out more stuff...

> They
>aren't encouraging JEWISH immigration. They are encouraging immigration -
>and well - a lot of people dislike Jews. Maybe more than just one of them
>should ask HOW COME?

ignorance.

>> maybe he means certain people that are known to be anti-semites.
>> Why should people who hate jews just be free to pontificate and
>> not have people respond, is basically what he's saying. whatever
>> they're saying even if it sounds good is suspect due to who these
>> people are, in other words.
>
>Freedom of speech is no longer allowed. Back in the 50s, there was a LOT
>MORE free speech going on - in the open. So what if people are anti
>semites? Lots of blacks hate Jews. SO? Maybe they have a reason. It's
>not morally right or wrong to like or to dislike - to love or to hate. It's
>feelings - and those feelings come from somewhere. You know, going on and
>on, trying to put guilt on people that don't give a shit about Jews - going
>on and on with that kind of heavy hand - DOES NOT make people LIKE Jews. It
>makes them notice what they are up to - and maybe start to HATE them when
>before, they might have never thought about Jews one way or the other. They
>are NOT special people. I could care less about them - or the Arabs or any
>of those Semites. They are ALL Semites, you know. I don't feel a thing for
>them - but it's really easy to DESPISE them for what they are doing. BOTH
>Moslems AND Jews. Trouble, nothing but trouble. I don't care about blacks
>either. I just don't. No use in pretending I do. But in the 50s, I'd be
>able to just say that - NO BIG DEAL. Today, oh boy, I say that in the open
>and I get attacked from all sides. And that only makes it WORSE.

well, the authorities are worried that a race riot will flare
up...

--

``The white "Christian" supremacists who have historically opposed either all immigration or all non-European immigration ... must not be permitted to play a prominent role in the debate over the way America responds to unprecedented demographic change. Nor should the anti-immigrant demagoguery of some black leadership be permitted to go unchallenged.'' --Stephen Steinlight

=22Tani_Jantsang=A9=22_=3Ctjsrno=40spampost=2Ecom=3E?=
2007-12-16 19:54:20 EST

"the 2nd coming of christ" <jesucristo2@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:47655ed0.51396984@news.sysmatrix.net...
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:10:54 -0500, "Tani Jantsang\ufffd"
> <tjsrno@spampost.com> wrote:
>
>>> Obviously if one of the 10 items had been pay allegiance to the
>>> United States only, I couldn't have joined.
>>
>>Well, citizens in sovereign nations should do that. The statements
>>mention
>>citizenry.
>
> I'm not sure which item you're referring to.

All of them. they are all very specific. They are all also self serving
while also being serving to others. ALL benefit in a country from these
things.
>
>>>
>>>> OH, if the world was like that? There would
>>>>be peace - for sure. But, me coming on here with gripes and groans -
>>>>hey,
>>>>it's just ME shooting the shit, blowing off steam, since the stuff I've
>>>>been
>>>>griping about seems to be the ONLY THING that manages to get talked
>>>>about
>>>>anywhere I go to hang these days. I'm told that if left on my own, I
>>>>tend
>>>>to get the topic on FOOD every time. OH, reminds me, gotta tell the SR
>>>>group 2 new DELICIOUS recipes. DELICIOUS.
>>>
>>> Forgot to tell you. I'm vegetarian bordering on vegan so your
>>> recipes sound delicious and everything but I'll have to pass, but
>>> thank you for the offer. They sound really delicious...
>>
>>OH, heh, they are - and I have a new one too, for mussels. DELICIOUS.
>>
>>I do it
>>> for health reasons, not ethical.
>>
>>? you can't eat meat or sea food?
>
> i don't want to. i could, but out of health reasons do not.

What's wrong with you?
>
>>
>>> In mexico as a kid you NEVER saw pot. You drank a lot but that was
>>> it. Then you come to the U.S. and EVERYONE is smoking dope all day
>>> and all night... But your own parents who are mexican are fascist
>>> and hate the stuff and can force the local gov which is their home
>>> now to harrass and persecute the stoners who were totally free up
>>> to then...and were never harrassed by anyone previously. See,
>>> little by little the ways of fascist mexico are being implanted
>>> into what used to be free america... that scares me more than
>>> anything...
>>
>>I think you lost me. I don't regarding good family values as fascist.
>>Only the PC liars would say that. I don't know anyone that uses pot - and
>>I
>>never hung out with anyone that was into that either
>
> i know. you're pro 'leave it to beaver' , i'm anti- 'leave it to
> beaver' . that's well established. i just think people should be
> free to smoke pot or ingest any substance, really. just like
> they're allowed to risk their life skiing or parachuting or what
> not. what's more dangerous, here...
>
>>- not that or any other
>>drug. I know a LOT of people, 2nd, in two private clubs. One of those
>>clubs is national - maybe international, I'm not sure. They have schools,
>>retiree homes, it's BIG. The other is supposed to be an ethnic club, but
>>all kinds of people go there. The German American club - the last person
>>in
>>charge of entertainment was Puerto Rican. Her husband was Hungarian.
>>LOL.
>>No matter, they do Mariachi music - but they sing it in German. It's the
>>same music! Waltz, Polka, Tango, Beguine, Samba, that kind of thing. We
>>ballroom dance. Or you might call it Latin Dancing - but it's the same
>>thing :) So yeah, I like it :) Fado music sounds like Russian music - OH
>>GOD it is beautiful. Want CD? Gimme an addy in the sr egroup and I'll
>>mail you HEAPS of Fado music. It's BEAUTIFUL, man. That stuff makes me
>>CRY - and I can't even understand what she's saying!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>i had no choice because i
>>>>> was brought here against my will as child and now i'm unable to go
>>>>> back--although i'd like to. i prefer fascist mexico to this third
>>>>> world piece of shit...
>>>>
>>>>Where do you live? Why can't you go back? Hey, why not move down by
>>>>us?
>>>>It's nice here!
>>>
>>> that was the closest i came to giving a clue that the whole thing
>>> was an exercise in satire... you're the one who says we're headed
>>> to being third world like, not me... I was sort of mocking you...
>>> Mexico is the one that is third world like to me. To me third
>>> world means old values such as patriarchy and catholicism.
>>
>>OH, no no. Africa is the 3rd world. The first world was BUILT by people
>>with strong family values, 2nd. Leave it to beaver - that is the kind of
>>people that were here - that MADE this a top rate nation.
>
> well, slaves built a lot of it...

I'm not talking about that. I'm talkig about the 20th century - all of that
was secular leave it to beaver western civilization values, with very very
little religion involved.
>
>> This nation is
>>slipping further down the line - in education we are the bottom. We used
>>to
>>be at the TOP. American goods used to be top rate, the best. Now they
>>are
>>shit. Manufacturing ain't even hardly here anymore. Your use of the
>>words
>>1st and 3rd world are not what people mean! You need to understand that
>>old
>>values Anglo commonwealth style are NOT the same as Mediterranean or Latin
>>old values at all.
>
> i understand it in terms of old aeon vs new aeon.

No, you can't understand what you never ever saw. 1950s USA was the total
opposite of Mexico or any other 3rd world country. And it was 100% beaver.
That's what made it great AND progressive. You just don't have anything to
cite in terms of experience - you weren't there - or here. I mentioned more
stuff aside from beaver. But how are you gonna SEE that stuff? Little
Rascals. Spanky and the Gang. THAT kind of stuff -that's what it was like
here for KIDS. For families there are a lot of old sitcoms, but they are
intended to be funny. OK then, the Waltons. That's rural. All based on
real people, true life.
>
>>
>>New
>>> world is secular and respects women, and allows all religions and
>>> even atheism. You want to go back to that, which is represented in
>>> our conversations by the show 'leave it to beaver'. traditional
>>> family values from patriarchy where every one acts the same ,
>>> dresses the same, goes to the same church, etc.
>>
>>That is not what it was like - and I made enough posts about it and I hope
>>you read them. The place WAS secular back then, very much so. Nobody
>>dressed the same, or acted the same. Nobody ever mentioned church or
>>religion on that show, 2nd. Traditional family values NW European style
>>are
>>NOTHING LIKE traditional values mediterranea or latin style. Beaver
>>show -
>>that was NW European style - which is what used to be here. It was VERY
>>free. It was also VERY secular. You need to understand that I was alive
>>and well back then in those days. I remember very clearly what it was
>>like - and when it changed it got like everyone had to think the same,
>>speak
>>the same party line, look the same. Before - it was NOT like that at all.
>>There was nothing to "fit" into back then. Not everyone had a TV, or was
>>able to get the channels back then. So there was NO major media to convey
>>that kind of "fit in" thing. Go read what I posted about it - I saved
>>those
>>posts, btw. I can email them to you if you want. The problem with today
>>is
>>that you can NOT allow all religions when one or two of those religions is
>>INTOLERANT and demands that YOU convert! Tolerance can't live side by
>>side
>>with intolerance. It's just not possible.
>
> allowing any religion opens the door for the bullshit extremists
> to enter in and spew their hate. they do it under the guise of
> holiness.

When the hippie 60s came around, RELIGIONS grew again, all kinds of it -
when before that it was quietly vanishing into the wallpaper. There was
also a NEW religion on the horizon with the hippies, it was more like an
ideology - and it was ANTI American in the extreme. It was also very "fit
in" mentality, I used to call them CLONES, plastic people, carbon copies.
They had a party line. Prior to all that SHIT - there was no party line.
And there weren't enough people that had TVs or access to stations that
would have even been able to HEAR a party line, IF there was one. You don't
have a clue how free KIDS were back then, and how free everyone else was.
And economically - it was GREAT.

>>
>> No dissenters
>>> allowed, period. Modern society is all about dissent and anarchy,
>>> the way I see it. Bush typifies the modern day American perfectly.
>>
>>I have to disagree. There is NO real dissent anymore. Everything is
>>guarded by the PC thought cops. Back then, there was a LOT of dissent and
>>vastly different opinions held by people even in the same family. You
>>have
>>a very warped idea of what it was like - probably because you weren't
>>there!
>>Ever notice that beaver goes out and plays, or spanky and the gang, the
>>little rascals - that kind of thing - no adults are there supervising
>>those
>>kids. They are FREE to play. That is what it was like when I was a kid.
>>I
>>could be anywhere - no adults were there to watch us. We played. No
>>adults
>>interfered. It was literally like another world back then. Then things
>>changed - things got SUFFOCATING. Kids today - it's HELL for them. Even
>>those horrible car seats are HELL. It was NOTHING like that. No seat belt
>>laws. No law saying you HAD to have insurance. It was a LOT freer.
>
> it was a lot freer for me too when i first move here, you could
> walk around with a bong in your hand doing bong loads in the
> middle of the street. now adays you can't even smoke cigarettes.

Agree, but that's what the so-called liberals did - they aren't liberal at
all. Not even close. They are fucking tyrants. I don't know what a bong
is.
>
>>
>>Traditional "beaver" USA was nothing like tradition Mexico. Mexico with
>>its
>>patriarchy and religion were seen as BACKWARD.
>
> oh, that's good then... i just always thought mexico patterned
> itself after the US. so whatever i was living in mexico as a kid,
> i understood that to be the exact same thing as the united states
> at that time. which was the 60s. since all the shows that were
> shaping me culturally where american shows... get it?

Well, the 60s is NOT what I'm talking about at all. That's when the stuff
got fucked up, that's when everyone had to have "a party line" and it was
DOGMA, no different from religion. They dressed the same, had to have their
hair the same, it sucked. I didn't have a thing to do with it, either. It
was REALLY fucked up. Mexico - the people - were never like the US's
people. First of all, you all have this machismo thing. There was never
anything like that here - and people that saw it, eg, with Italians, thought
it was primitive and silly. There were different KINDS of people here. You
know, North Europeans are nothing like South Europeans. My people are a lot
more like North Europeans in the way we just ARE. There is no big gender
thing, no macho thing, none of that. It was the way I said - and I made
about 7 posts about it in detail. Just read. If you want, I can email you
them if you can't find them. I saved them since there is good info in
there.

Me and two pals on the beach were reminiscing about the 50s - since we all
lived and played during that time. One made a joke -she's gonna call her
mom and ask "Hey mom, how come you didn't know exactly where I was and what
I was doing when I was blocks away from home as a kid?" LMAO. It was said
as a joke. We all remember car rides and how much we liked that - either
laying down on the back seat or kneeling on it with elbows on the front seat
just looking about the windows as someone in the front drived. NO seat
belts. Definitely no prison-chairs for kids. Kids walked alone 40 blocks,
aged 8 or 9 or whatever, or took a bus, went to a pool and NO adults
supervised or had to be there by law. It was FREE. Kids interacted with
kids. That's NORMAL, man. One parent worked - that's all that HAD to work
and we lived damned good on that ONE salary. Mom was home - I'm GLAD she
was. She did WORK, no bones about it. Lots of clothing had to be hand
washed, ironed and all that. Hung out on a line. Housework was WORK - it
wasn't easy. Who the fuck was gonna do it if she had to work outside the
house too? I knew responsibility before I was a teenager, long before that.
I knew how to make money doing jobs, too. ALL the kids did this. It was
NORMAL.
>
>>The USA was nothing like
>>that. NW European values and common law was more common - and that is ALL
>>a
>>lot freer.
>
> except if you were black.

They had their own economy back then, their own stores, their own doctors
and lawyers - and they had intact families, too. Now, they are 100 times
worse off - and a seriously "at risk" population just due to their own
freaking behavior. THEY KNOW this. Cosby is old enough to remember what it
was like before it all went to hell. He spoke out. So you are wrong. They
were a lot freer too - AND they had communities. GOOD ones. Not shit
holes.
>
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>See under this quote from Steinlight, tho I have no idea where that
>>>>quote
>>>>that you have from Steinlight came from.
>>>
>>> I gave you the link before. I'll get it for you again...
>>>
>>> here: http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/back1301.html

I'll print that out and read it.

>>>
>>> here's an excerpt:
>>>
>>> ``Along with the trade in African slaves and the institution of
>>> slavery and the treatment of Native Americans, America's
>>> abandonment of the Jews to Nazi annihilation is arguably the
>>> greatest moral failure in its history. This shameful, frightening
>>> history has formed, as it were, the sacred moral basis for
>>> mainstream Jewish support for generous legal immigration.''
>>
>>Well, his 2 doesn't add up with 2 to make 4 there. If Churchill didn't go
>>and attack Germany for no reason at all, the Jews would NOT have had a
>>holocaust. MOral failure? It's not a moral failure to look out for your
>>OWN nation. Encouraging immigration is obviously NOT helping Jews.
>
> i know but their usual stance was 'they're not gonna do to others
> what others did to them keeping them out and causing the
> holocaust', not that there's a holocaust but just the principle of
> the matter...but it looked like he was now saying 'maybe it does
> matter that it's not about persecution' because he's trying to
> find ways to get out of that paradigm that they have been
> operating under, but i've yet to read the whole thing so i'm sure
> i'll find out more stuff...

Yeah, well, he sees that other people that are NOT white can hate Jews and
want to murder them. DUH. No shit Dick Tracey!

The thing is, my people didn't have a thing to do with black slavery or the
holocaust - and neither did a LOT of people who are here. Yet they
addressed this to ALL European people of Christian culture. THAT right
there is racism. And sure, people find out Jews did this - and heh - well,
it sure the hell pisses ME off. And I got Jewish pals TELLING me Jews were
up to no good for decades. Now it's just gone too far. So Steinlight wants
to reverse it. Yeah, sure. He made the fucking bed. Now he can perish in
it.

>
>> They
>>aren't encouraging JEWISH immigration. They are encouraging immigration -
>>and well - a lot of people dislike Jews. Maybe more than just one of them
>>should ask HOW COME?
>
> ignorance.

People all over the place, in too many nations to even remember, don't just
start disliking Jews for no valid reasons. And I mean, it's happened to
them SO MANY times, even in Egypt when the Pharaoh was ruling and there were
all kinds of religions there. Egyptians kicked them out. People don't get
kicked out of countries for NO reasons - especially tolerant countries like
ancient Egypt was. There are reasons WHY for everything, 2nd. It's not
ignorance. If you mean JEWS are ignorant for not encouraging JEWISH
immigration, then I agree. What, did they imagine that these non-Jews would
love them? Yeah, that's fucking ignorance.
>
>>> maybe he means certain people that are known to be anti-semites.
>>> Why should people who hate jews just be free to pontificate and
>>> not have people respond, is basically what he's saying. whatever
>>> they're saying even if it sounds good is suspect due to who these
>>> people are, in other words.
>>
>>Freedom of speech is no longer allowed. Back in the 50s, there was a LOT
>>MORE free speech going on - in the open. So what if people are anti
>>semites? Lots of blacks hate Jews. SO? Maybe they have a reason. It's
>>not morally right or wrong to like or to dislike - to love or to hate.
>>It's
>>feelings - and those feelings come from somewhere. You know, going on and
>>on, trying to put guilt on people that don't give a shit about Jews -
>>going
>>on and on with that kind of heavy hand - DOES NOT make people LIKE Jews.
>>It
>>makes them notice what they are up to - and maybe start to HATE them when
>>before, they might have never thought about Jews one way or the other.
>>They
>>are NOT special people. I could care less about them - or the Arabs or
>>any
>>of those Semites. They are ALL Semites, you know. I don't feel a thing
>>for
>>them - but it's really easy to DESPISE them for what they are doing. BOTH
>>Moslems AND Jews. Trouble, nothing but trouble. I don't care about
>>blacks
>>either. I just don't. No use in pretending I do. But in the 50s, I'd be
>>able to just say that - NO BIG DEAL. Today, oh boy, I say that in the
>>open
>>and I get attacked from all sides. And that only makes it WORSE.
>
> well, the authorities are worried that a race riot will flare
> up...

2nd, race riots ALREADY flared up - riots so bad in the 60s that TANKS were
on the streets. OK? Worried? If the fucking interfering gov just let
people go where they want to go (like they DID before all that 60s shit
happened) - and be with people they feel comfortable with and not try to
FORCE people together, there would be NO RIOTS. Tons of race riots already
flared up. Where were you when blacks were torturing and murdering anyone
that looked Hispanic because a "cop killed a criminal" - but the blacks saw
that it was an HISPANIC cop killed a BLACK criminal? I was down here, just
across the state when that shit happened.

As it stands now, there are NO blacks out there that don't first see me and
wonder what the fuck I am. SO THEY ASK me. They always ASK. So I tell
them. The next thing they wonder is "which SIDE am I on?" Well, I sure the
fuck am NOT on the black side. I could care less about them at this stage
of the game. I would tell any black that had a family and a good life to
AVOID making black friends - because that's a lose lose situation - like
that Ft. Myers sports star found out. These days, there aren't too many
other kinds of people that would befriend such a person, despite good family
and good life - because we KNOW BETTER - and we KNOW from HARD KNOCKS
EXPERIENCE. That's just the way it is, man.
>
> --
>
> ``The white "Christian" supremacists who have historically opposed either
> all immigration or all non-European immigration ... must not be permitted
> to play a prominent role in the debate over the way America responds to
> unprecedented demographic change. Nor should the anti-immigrant
> demagoguery of some black leadership be permitted to go
> unchallenged.'' --Stephen Steinlight



Kori Houghton
2007-12-16 22:24:36 EST
On Dec 16, 7:54 pm, "Tani Jantsang(c)" <tjs...@spampost.com> wrote:

> No, you can't understand what you never ever saw. 1950s USA was the total
> opposite of Mexico or any other 3rd world country. And it was 100% beaver.
> That's what made it great AND progressive. You just don't have anything to
> cite in terms of experience - you weren't there - or here. I mentioned more
> stuff aside from beaver. But how are you gonna SEE that stuff? Little
> Rascals.

The short films shown on teevee in the 50s as LITTLE RASCALS were made
decades earlier, during the 1930s and 1940s.

> Spanky and the Gang.

A folk-rock style pop group from the 60s, featuring a fat chick lead
singer (similar to Mama Cass)?

> THAT kind of stuff -that's what it was like
> here for KIDS. For families there are a lot of old sitcoms, but they are
> intended to be funny. OK then, the Waltons. That's rural. All based on
> real people, true life.

Again, THE WALTONS was about a rural family during the Depression Era,
not the 50s.

While teevee programs are indeed based on how real people live their
lives, they are not an accurate portrayal of real people, true life,
or the historical period in which they were made. But if the only
research tool you have is a teevee remote control, everything you
think you know about recent history can be found listed in vintage
editions of TV GUIDE. LMAO


> When the hippie 60s came around, RELIGIONS grew again,

Actually, circa 1974. Spirituality was part of the hippy scene (all
flavors), but mainstream religion was not their bag. But I do
understand why you are pushing this disinfo...your handlers have the
same spin. Doesn't make it true, though.

> all kinds of it -
> when before that it was quietly vanishing into the wallpaper. There was
> also a NEW religion on the horizon with the hippies, it was more like an
> ideology - and it was ANTI American in the extreme.

Examples? With links, please.

> It was also very "fit
> in" mentality, I used to call them CLONES, plastic people, carbon copies.
> They had a party line. Prior to all that SHIT - there was no party line.
> And there weren't enough people that had TVs or access to stations that
> would have even been able to HEAR a party line, IF there was one. You don't
> have a clue how free KIDS were back then, and how free everyone else was.
> And economically - it was GREAT.

Uh, no. If you lived in Joisey, you had 12 stations (a full dial of 2
through 13, except for channel 8 in Lancaster PA).

During the 50s people were so non-conformist that American Bandstand
was flooded with letters from teens wanting to know where they could
buy what they thought was the lastest fashion trend -- a button-down
blouse with a peter pan collar -- because so many girls on Bandstand
were wearing them. The blouses were part of their Catholic High
School uniforms; they changed their skirts but not their blouses
before going on the air. No urge to conform in the 50s...no, no,
never. LMAO.

You are such a fraud, Tani. Remember, we all saw the photo
http://www.geocities.com/go_darkness/pictures.html
of you (young Tani unadorned) circa 1980 with a teased up and sprayed
disco bang dyed bright orange sea urchin on your forehead...you
mindless little clone, you! ooh ooh ooh ooh stayin alive stayin
alive ooh ooh ooh ooh staaayin a--liiiiive!

Luv,
Kori


=22Tani_Jantsang=A9=22_=3Ctjsrno=40spampost=2Ecom=3E?=
2007-12-17 00:07:35 EST

"Kori Houghton" <korihoughton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bc585533-5981-435e-a41e-65a8470d6bd3@e67g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 16, 7:54 pm, "Tani Jantsang(c)" <tjs...@spampost.com> wrote:
>
>> No, you can't understand what you never ever saw. 1950s USA was the
>> total
>> opposite of Mexico or any other 3rd world country. And it was 100%
>> beaver.
>> That's what made it great AND progressive. You just don't have anything
>> to
>> cite in terms of experience - you weren't there - or here. I mentioned
>> more
>> stuff aside from beaver. But how are you gonna SEE that stuff? Little
>> Rascals.
>
> The short films shown on teevee in the 50s as LITTLE RASCALS were made
> decades earlier, during the 1930s and 1940s.

So what. That is exactly the way it was in the 50s.
>
>> Spanky and the Gang.

A later show, similar to Little Rascals.
>
> A folk-rock style pop group from the 60s, featuring a fat chick lead
> singer (similar to Mama Cass)?

Huh?
>
>> THAT kind of stuff -that's what it was like
>> here for KIDS. For families there are a lot of old sitcoms, but they are
>> intended to be funny. OK then, the Waltons. That's rural. All based on
>> real people, true life.
>
> Again, THE WALTONS was about a rural family during the Depression Era,
> not the 50s.

It started out that way and progressed up to after ww2 and later. It was
very much like rural areas everywhere.
>

> While teevee programs are indeed based on how real people live their
> lives, they are not an accurate portrayal of real people, true life,
> or the historical period in which they were made.

SOME of them are. People were easily able to relate to what they saw -
either that or they'd shut off the TV.

But if the only
> research tool you have is a teevee remote control, everything you
> think you know about recent history can be found listed in vintage
> editions of TV GUIDE. LMAO

Everything I know I know can be found from simply remembering and
reminiscing with pals. What the fuck am I to do - explaining what it was
like to a person born 10 years or more later - it's almost impossible. It
was like another world back then. Name it: School - another universe. Kids
playing - another universe. Homelife - another universe. The workplace -
another universe. The economy - another universe. The ability to speak
from the heart freely - another universe. Easy going people really doing
their OWN things - another universe.
>
>
>> When the hippie 60s came around, RELIGIONS grew again,
>
> Actually, circa 1974. Spirituality was part of the hippy scene (all
> flavors), but mainstream religion was not their bag.

Oh, but they had a MAINSTREAM all their own - and it was carbon copy shit.
Uh, heh, even LaVey saw through that shit. They had a "proper" ideology -
and anyone not falling in line was ostracized. That never happened before
that shit came.

But I do
> understand why you are pushing this disinfo...your handlers have the
> same spin. Doesn't make it true, though.

You are one sick bitch. I don't have handlers. You must have fun imagining
the black vans and such. I'm not pushing disinfo at all. I lived during
those times - and it was 100 times freer and easy going. People were not
afraid to speak their minds at all - OR afraid to walk the damned streets.
That's just a fact. My handlers - man, you are one fucking psychotic bitch.
>
>> all kinds of it -
>> when before that it was quietly vanishing into the wallpaper. There was
>> also a NEW religion on the horizon with the hippies, it was more like an
>> ideology - and it was ANTI American in the extreme.
>
> Examples? With links, please.

Links hey? Your life = links. I was THERE. 1. everyone HAD to like that
same (really shitty) music, or not be hip. 2. Everyone had to have the same
"hip" viewpoints. It was the beginnings of PC, plain and simple. 3.
everyone had to be overly "concerned" with "the cause" whatever the fuck
THAT was. God, I used to hear them blathering this stupid shit - the SAME
stupid shit, like adopting some kind of neo-Marxist lingo jargon - fucking
pathetic yammering bimbos. Heh, turns out that was exactly what they were
doing and what they were yabbering. Lord have mercy if someone went around
with teased hair, or braids, or a pony tail. OH, my god, how UNHIP.
Fucking clones. Try to FIND something that was NOT hip huggers or other
ugly hippie shit. And all of them, trashing the very society that was
great - trashing their OWN LIVES when they were pretty damned RICH to start
off with. Feeling "guilt" about the appropriate shit. Oh yeah, THOU SHALT
have sex (the CHORE of sex) - and sure thing, gotta do those drugs, some
kinda drugs. What a fucking waste of time - wasted people. And that's just
the tip of the iceberg. CLONES, all of them. Spewing the same stupid line
of shit. Religion? Sure thing - dogmatic - a hell of a lot more dogmatic
than any religion that was out there and slowly, quietly fading away. It
was ideology - which is the same as religion.
>
>> It was also very "fit
>> in" mentality, I used to call them CLONES, plastic people, carbon copies.
>> They had a party line. Prior to all that SHIT - there was no party line.
>> And there weren't enough people that had TVs or access to stations that
>> would have even been able to HEAR a party line, IF there was one. You
>> don't
>> have a clue how free KIDS were back then, and how free everyone else was.
>> And economically - it was GREAT.
>
> Uh, no. If you lived in Joisey, you had 12 stations (a full dial of 2
> through 13, except for channel 8 in Lancaster PA).

Not quite so, not in the 50s. Most other people did not have that even
later on. As a kid, there were a few stations that came in - and only at
certain times. Much later on, in the early 60s, I could get 2, 4, 5, 7, 9,
11, 13. That's it. All b/w. I remember the TV we had - a HUGE piece of
furniture with a tiny curved screen in it.
>
> During the 50s people were so non-conformist that American Bandstand
> was flooded with letters from teens wanting to know where they could
> buy what they thought was the lastest fashion trend -- a button-down
> blouse with a peter pan collar -- because so many girls on Bandstand
> were wearing them. The blouses were part of their Catholic High
> School uniforms; they changed their skirts but not their blouses
> before going on the air. No urge to conform in the 50s...no, no,
> never. LMAO.

Styles are styles. OBVIOUSLY, you moron, the people wanting to wear those
blouses were NOT wearing them. If they liked them, then they'd want them.
Yes, private schools had uniforms. So what? Check out shows that actually
aired in the 50s - and see what people wore. That's not to say that real
people could afford to wear stuff like that. I posted a heap of stuff on
the 50s - and it's accurate. Other people my age and older remember the
same kind of things.
>
> You are such a fraud, Tani. Remember, we all saw the photo
> http://www.geocities.com/go_darkness/pictures.html
> of you (young Tani unadorned) circa 1980

1980? Wrong. I was YOUNG in that photo. Teenager.

with a teased up and sprayed
> disco bang dyed bright orange

Wrong. Nothing is teased. Nothing dyed either. My hair stays up if I push
it up - and in that photo it was rather kinda a wind-blown mess. It does
that right now, too, stays up. My hair was RED, fire red. Not dyed. Disco
bangs, hey? Disco didn't exist when that photo was taken. Disco existed
when the one of me and my grandfather was taken, or just starting out.

I never knew what was in style - and never gave a shit about it, either.

sea urchin on your forehead...you
> mindless little clone, you! ooh ooh ooh ooh stayin alive stayin
> alive ooh ooh ooh ooh staaayin a--liiiiive!

You stupid fucking troll. You are the most pathetic bitch that ever hit
this newsgroup. Troll.
>
> Luv,
> Kori
>



Delila
2007-12-17 08:09:43 EST

"Tani Jantsang\ufffd" <tjsrno@spampost.com> wrote in message
news:13mc10n4mltaqf7@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>
>> A folk-rock style pop group from the 60s, featuring a fat chick lead
>> singer (similar to Mama Cass)?
>
> Huh?


The '60s group called "The Mamas and the Papas".


> Links hey? Your life = links. I was THERE. 1. everyone HAD to like that
> same (really shitty) music, or not be hip.


Then I guess I've always been unhip, LOL! I rarely like any mainstream
stuff. It's utter crap to me.


> Lord have mercy if someone went around with teased hair, or braids, or a
> pony tail. OH, my god, how UNHIP.


At least today we can wear our hair whichever way we want it. Up, down,
long, short, straight, curly... I shudder to remember the days when all
women had this horrible bubble-do. Just the other day I saw an old woman
with a fresh one. Ugh! Thank god, this style is on its way out.


> Fucking clones. Try to FIND something that was NOT hip huggers or other
> ugly hippie shit.


I happen to like hip-huggers and low-riders. But there are other styles,
too. You can find flair-led pants, as well as straight-leg, boot-cut, all
kinds of styles; same with skirts, long short and anything in between.


> And all of them, trashing the very society that was great - trashing their
> OWN LIVES when they were pretty damned RICH to start off with.


Maybe because they felt that society then was incredibly repressed. That's
what they rebelled about.


> Feeling "guilt" about the appropriate shit. Oh yeah, THOU SHALT have sex
> (the CHORE of sex) - and sure thing, gotta do those drugs, some kinda
> drugs.


LSD, to 'expand their minds'. Some went on LSD 'trips' and never came back.


> What a fucking waste of time - wasted people. And that's just the tip of
> the iceberg. CLONES, all of them. Spewing the same stupid line of shit.
> Religion? Sure thing - dogmatic - a hell of a lot more dogmatic than any
> religion that was out there and slowly, quietly fading away. It was
> ideology - which is the same as religion.


Hippies were actually a small minority of people who happened to be very
visible, due to being very vocal.


D.



Mika
2007-12-17 12:36:51 EST
On Dec 16, 9:07 pm, "Tani Jantsang(c)" wrote:
> What a fucking waste of time -

Yeah, fighting and dying for civil rights and reproductive freedom was
such a waste of time! Same goes for lowering the voting age to 18, I
mean, why should our enlisted men and women have the right to vote?
That's just pointless. If only the 60's and 70's never happened!
Then we could all 'return' to the glorious (albeit imaginary) days of
the white, christian, middle class nuclear family. And those of us
who can't squeeze into that role will happily be shuffled off to
prison, the military, internment camps, insane asylums, indentured
servitude, and hell, outright slavery. Then the world will be a
better place, no?


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