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Anonymous
2008-04-14 00:12:00 EST
Read about it here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080414/ap_on_el_pr/obama


PolicySpy
2008-04-14 05:15:25 EST
> Read about it here:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080414/ap_on_el_pr/obama
>

He said that working class people are bitter about their economic success
and therefor they cling to guns and religion.

So he recognizes that they have an emotional need for guns but probably does
not believe that they have a logistical need for guns.

But when he says that they cling to religion then that is a strange
viewpoint. For instance what should they cling to ? Because many churches
are community based and oriented...

Of course the working class people that cling to guns and religion are the
patriots and not socialists. The patriots (conservatives) take orders from
authority and believe in service...while the socialists (liberals) believe
in social programs and economic balance of the demographic.

See that's interesting. There are both conservative working class people and
liberal working class people. And I suppose the liberal working class people
are the Northeastern union workers...



PolicySpy
2008-04-14 05:21:02 EST
>> Read about it here:
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080414/ap_on_el_pr/obama
>>
>
> He said that working class people are bitter about their economic success
> and therefor they cling to guns and religion.
>
> So he recognizes that they have an emotional need for guns but probably
> does not believe that they have a logistical need for guns.
>
> But when he says that they cling to religion then that is a strange
> viewpoint. For instance what should they cling to ? Because many churches
> are community based and oriented...
>
> Of course the working class people that cling to guns and religion are the
> patriots and not socialists. The patriots (conservatives) take orders from
> authority and believe in service...while the socialists (liberals) believe
> in social programs and economic balance of the demographic.
>
> See that's interesting. There are both conservative working class people
> and liberal working class people. And I suppose the liberal working class
> people are the Northeastern union workers...

Oh, the liberal working class would often be those that both live and work
in a major city. While the conservative working class might work in the city
but would not likely live in the city. So they are often side-by-side in
every area of the country...



PolicySpy
2008-04-14 05:27:51 EST
>>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080414/ap_on_el_pr/obama
>>>
>>
>> He said that working class people are bitter about their economic success
>> and therefor they cling to guns and religion.
>>
>> So he recognizes that they have an emotional need for guns but probably
>> does not believe that they have a logistical need for guns.
>>
>> But when he says that they cling to religion then that is a strange
>> viewpoint. For instance what should they cling to ? Because many
>> churches are community based and oriented...
>>
>> Of course the working class people that cling to guns and religion are
>> the patriots and not socialists. The patriots (conservatives) take orders
>> from authority and believe in service...while the socialists (liberals)
>> believe in social programs and economic balance of the demographic.
>>
>> See that's interesting. There are both conservative working class people
>> and liberal working class people. And I suppose the liberal working class
>> people are the Northeastern union workers...
>
> Oh, the liberal working class would often be those that both live and work
> in a major city. While the conservative working class might work in the
> city but would not likely live in the city. So the two >groups are often
> side-by-side in every area of the country...

Might as well go on and get fully in trouble here...

Both the conservative working class and the liberal working class...can
support their political platforms without question. One group is not more
judicious than the other...



PolicySpy
2008-04-14 05:45:15 EST
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080414/ap_on_el_pr/obama
>>>>
>>>
>>> He said that working class people are bitter about their economic
>>> success and therefor they cling to guns and religion.
>>>
>>> So he recognizes that they have an emotional need for guns but probably
>>> does not believe that they have a logistical need for guns.
>>>
>>> But when he says that they cling to religion then that is a strange
>>> viewpoint. For instance what should they cling to ? Because many
>>> churches are community based and oriented...
>>>
>>> Of course the working class people that cling to guns and religion are
>>> the patriots and not socialists. The patriots (conservatives) take
>>> orders from authority and believe in service...while the socialists
>>> (liberals) believe in social programs and economic balance of the
>>> demographic.
>>>
>>> See that's interesting. There are both conservative working class people
>>> and liberal working class people. And I suppose the liberal working
>>> class people are the Northeastern union workers...
>>
>> Oh, the liberal working class would often be those that both live and
>> work in a major city. While the conservative working class might work in
>> the city but would not likely live in the city. So the two >groups are
>> often side-by-side in every area of the country...
>
> Might as well go on and get fully in trouble here...
>
> Both the conservative working class and the liberal working class...can
> support their political platforms without question. One group is not more
> judicious than the other...

But in the political exchange...BO says that HC is saying the things that he
would expect JM to have said.

And yeah HC does seem to have this debate-team style whereby the opponent is
simply the one who she identifies by standing up against. But her drive for
personal success against a similar Democrat raises doubts about her depth or
sincerity in her opposition to the Republicans.

And how does BO do it differently ? I suppose just go with the old saying
and say that...it's all in the delivery.



PolicySpy
2008-04-14 05:51:08 EST
>>>
>>> He said that working class people are bitter about their economic
>>> success and therefor they cling to guns and religion.
>>>
>>> So he recognizes that they have an emotional need for guns but probably
>>> does not believe that they have a logistical need for guns.
>>>
>>> But when he says that they cling to religion then that is a strange
>>> viewpoint. For instance what should they cling to ? Because many
>>> churches are community based and oriented...
>>>
>>> Of course the working class people that cling to guns and religion are
>>> the patriots and not socialists. The patriots (conservatives) take
>>> orders from authority and believe in service...while the socialists
>>> (liberals) believe in social programs and economic balance of the
>>> demographic.
>>>
>>> See that's interesting. There are both conservative working class people
>>> and liberal working class people. And I suppose the liberal working
>>> class people are the Northeastern union workers...
>>
>> Oh, the liberal working class would often be those that both live and
>> work in a major city. While the conservative working class might work in
>> the city but would not likely live in the city. So the two >groups are
>> often side-by-side in every area of the country...
>
> Might as well go on and get fully in trouble here...
>
> Both the conservative working class and the liberal working class...can
> support their political platforms without question. One group is not more
> judicious than the other...

But in the political exchange...BO says that HC is saying the things that he
would expect JM to have said.

And yeah HC does seem to have this debate-team style whereby the opponent is
simply the one who she identifies by standing up against. But her drive for
personal success against a similar Democrat raises doubts about her depth or
sincerity in her opposition to the Republicans.

And how does BO do it differently ? I suppose just go with the old saying
and say that...it's all in the delivery.



HeyBub
2008-04-14 09:43:41 EST
Anonymous wrote:
> Read about it here:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080414/ap_on_el_pr/obama

No he doesn't.

Living in Chicago (and D.C.), he can't own any guns: his, yours, or mine. If
he suddenly got 200 million guns, he'd have to melt them or something.

Hmm. Thinking on that...



Morton Davis
2008-04-14 10:36:53 EST

"Anonymous" <cripto@ecn.org> wrote in message
news:20080414041200.9B5E31A7846@isole...
> Read about it here:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080414/ap_on_el_pr/obama
>

He can't have 'em.



Frank
2008-04-14 12:21:28 EST
HeyBub wrote:
> Anonymous wrote:
>> Read about it here:
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080414/ap_on_el_pr/obama
>
> No he doesn't.
>
> Living in Chicago (and D.C.), he can't own any guns: his, yours, or mine. If
> he suddenly got 200 million guns, he'd have to melt them or something.
>
> Hmm. Thinking on that...
>
>
Everybody knows Obama is antigun but so's the witch. People I know in
Western PA love God and guns, the latter because they all hunt. I
predict they will stay home on primary day and the blacks in
Philadelphia and Pittsburg will nominate Obama ;(

PolicySpy
2008-04-16 13:24:14 EST
> But in the political exchange...BO says that HC is saying the things that
> he would expect JM to have said.
>
> And yeah HC does seem to have this debate-team style whereby the opponent
> is simply the one who she identifies by standing up against. But her drive
> for
> personal success against a similar Democrat raises doubts about her depth
> or sincerity in her opposition to the Republicans.
>
> And how does BO do it differently ? I suppose just go with the old saying
> and say that...it's all in the delivery.

Now HC has come out and said that the BO "bitter" comment was elitist...and
that BO made the same mistake as other recent Democrat candidates.

But HC with her stand up and identify the evil enemy debate-style...seems
elitist. So there is a feeling that she avoids simple mistakes with a check
list thinking and that she is a check list administrator rather than a
personality.


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