If you will put up with the Presidential Candidate lying about how many homes and mansions he owns you will put up with anything because you are slave. In The Soviet Union there were NO millioniares because people were so equal. --Skeptic
Homes McCain doesn't remember having worth nearly $14 million Nick Juliano Published: Thursday August 21, 2008
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Even though John McCain can't remember how many houses he and his wife own, his political opponents have been keeping track of the multi- millionares' holdings.
All told, the seven properties at which the McCains can rest their weary heads after long days on the campaign trail are valued at nearly $14 million, according to two separate research documents obtained by RAW STORY.
Perhaps we should cut the Republican presidential candidate some slack, though, for his fuzzy memory when it comes to counting his houses. With so many ranches, condos and beachfront properties spread across the country, keeping track could prove a little tricky.
"I think -- I'll have my staff get back to you," McCain told two curious Politico reporters Wednesday.
The gaffe has set Democrats on a new populist offensive trying to paint McCain as an out-of-touch elitist. Democratic candidate Barack Obama quickly released a Web ad hitting McCain over the home controversy, and he and his surrogates were on the offensive throughout the day Thursday.
"I guess if you think that being rich means you gotta make $5 million and if you don't know how many houses you have, then it might not be surprising that you think the economy is fundamentally strong," Obama said. "But if you're like me and you've got one house, or you are like the millions of people who are struggling right now to keep up with their mortgage so they don't lose their home, you might have a different perspective."
Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, a top prospect to become Obama's running mate, joked to CNN that McCain couldn't say how many homes he had because "he couldn't count high enough." (Video of Obama and Kain is posted below.)
Outside groups like the AFL-CIO and Brave New Films have been making the same argument in recent weeks.
McCain's staff seemed to lowball the family's property holdings, telling Politico they have "at least four" homes in Arizona, California and Virginia. And a worried campaign spokesman lashed out, reciting some of the GOP's favorite attempts to paint Obama as the out- of-touch elitist.
"Does a guy who made more than $4 million last year, just got back from vacation on a private beach in Hawaii and bought his own million- dollar mansion with the help of a convicted felon really want to get into a debate about houses?" asked McCain spokesman Brian Rogers. "Does a guy who worries about the price of arugula and thinks regular people 'cling' to guns and religion in the face of economic hardship really want to have a debate about who’s in touch with regular Americans? The reality is that Barack Obama’s plans to raise taxes and opposition to producing more energy here at home as gas prices skyrocket show he’s completely out of touch with the concerns of average Americans."
Estimates of how many homes McCain owns based on examinations of property records in those states put the number between seven and 10, but a precise number is difficult to pinpoint depending on how one defines a distinct home. The properties often are owned by holding companies or trusts controlled by McCain's wife Cindy, an heiress to her father's beer distributorship fortune believed to be worth up to $100 million.
The McCains famously like to vacation on their Sedona ranch -- in fact, the Arizonan senator is heading there this weekend for a few days away from the campaign trail. The 15-acre ranch where McCain hosted members of his press corps this year holds six separate houses, so does that count as one home or six?
In Phoenix, the McCains' primary residence is a nearly 7,000 square foot condominium worth about $4.66 million. The McCains purchased two condos in 2006 and knocked down some walls to create the massive space in a high-rise that features valet parking, a rooftop swimming pool, personal spa services and on-staff housekeepers, among other amenities.
Whenever John or Cindy want some sun, sand and surf, they simply need to jet off to either of their two beachfront condos in Coronado, CA, worth a combined $4.8 million, according to property records. Coronado, a small island near San Diego boasts the second best beach in the country.
If they need a different view of the Pacific than Coronado's, the McCains simply have to head about 15 miles up the coast to La Jolla, CA, where they own another condo estimated to be worth about $1.1 million that's been in Cindy's family since the early 1970s.
The senior senator from Arizona, McCain is needed on Capitol Hill from time to time. But fret not, dear constituents, he's not living under some bridge, or squeezing himself into a Capitol Hill row house like some common Democrat.
Thanks in large part to Cindy's fortune, the McCains sleep easy in Washington's quiet suburbs whenever Capitol Hill beckons. The Cindy Hensley McCain Family Trust puts them up in an $847,000 condo in Arlington, where the couple has lived while in Washington since 1993.
There's also the matter of the McCains' daughter, 23-year-old Meghan. While many 20-somethings are lucky if they get a car for a college graduation gift, Meghan's present for finishing at Columbia University was a $700,000 loft in a hip section of downtown Phoenix.
A GQ profile of Meghan McCain, whose only job at moment seems to be blogging on her father's behalf, described the loft's interior as looking "like a spaceship furnished by West Elm." Wooden block letters arranged above McCain's kitchen cabinets spell the word indulge.
One wonders if this is a lesson the young McCain learned from her parents, who, by the way, according to property records, paid for the condo in cash.
On Aug 24, 1:05 pm, skepticl1 <skepti...@aol.com> wrote: > If you will put up with the Presidential Candidate lying about how > many homes and mansions he owns you will put up with anything
Well, we put up with you claiming to be a Socialist.......
> In The Soviet Union there were NO millioniares because > people were so equal. --Skeptic
Some were more equal than others though eh?
Especially the politburo members with their Black Sea beachfront properties, no waiting in line for a loaf of bread and a bottle of vodka for them !
"What grew during the Brezhnev years were bureaucracy and the size of the Communist Party - with many Party members working in bureaucracies. And growing too were the number of vacation residences, pensions, perks and privileges for Party members. In the eyes of the common Soviet citizen, corruption was growing alongside economic stagnation"
go do your homework rube
2008-08-25 02:46:10 EST
On 24 Aug, 13:13, Sydney Diego <all...@email.com> wrote: > On Aug 24, 1:05�pm, skepticl1 <skepti...@aol.com> wrote: > > > If you will put up with the Presidential Candidate lying about how > > many homes and mansions he owns you will put up with anything > > Well, we put up with you claiming to be a Socialist....... > > > In The Soviet Union there were NO millioniares because > > people were so equal. --Skeptic > > Some were more equal than others though eh? > > Especially the politburo members with their Black Sea beachfront > properties, no waiting in line for a loaf of bread and a bottle of > vodka for them ! > > "What grew during the Brezhnev years were bureaucracy and the size of > the Communist Party - with many Party members working in > bureaucracies. And growing too were the number of vacation residences, > pensions, perks and privileges for Party members. In the eyes of the > common Soviet citizen, corruption was growing alongside economic > stagnation" > > go do your homework rube
What you describe about the USSR can't begin to touch the inequality that is everyday practice in the United Snakes. A country which has presided over a world built on slums. Your guy even lies about how many mansions he owns. Today's US politicians are reelected in higher percentages than the Soviet Proletbrearu. In The Soviet Union and when China was Socialist, it was the most equal society there ever was. McCain has as many as 16 mansions. In the USSR people were on such an equal level there weren't even millionaires. You are a slave who thinks his iron collars is an expensive neckless. Your system has homeless people and people who aren't allowed to be treated in hospitals and more prisoners than any country there ever was. Think about free education up through being a doctor and no one paying rent and you are braying like a jackass about people standing in line to get goods for free. Almost unimaginable in the scummy USA. Land of the Freaks, home of the slaves.
Sydney Diego
2008-08-25 10:23:49 EST
On Aug 24, 11:46 pm, "skepti...@aol.com" <skepti...@aol.com> wrote: > On 24 Aug, 13:13, Sydney Diego <all...@email.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 24, 1:05 pm, skepticl1 <skepti...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > If you will put up with the Presidential Candidate lying about how > > > many homes and mansions he owns you will put up with anything > > > Well, we put up with you claiming to be a Socialist....... > > > > In The Soviet Union there were NO millioniares because > > > people were so equal. --Skeptic > > > Some were more equal than others though eh? > > > Especially the politburo members with their Black Sea beachfront > > properties, no waiting in line for a loaf of bread and a bottle of > > vodka for them ! > > > "What grew during the Brezhnev years were bureaucracy and the size of > > the Communist Party - with many Party members working in > > bureaucracies. And growing too were the number of vacation residences, > > pensions, perks and privileges for Party members. In the eyes of the > > common Soviet citizen, corruption was growing alongside economic > > stagnation" > > > go do your homework rube > > What you describe about the USSR can't begin to touch the inequality > that is everyday practice in the United Snakes.
Well, I've never had to wait hours in line for a loaf of bread here. And since you didn't live under the brutal communist regimes, frankly you're not qualified to say.
Enjoying your capitalist lifestyle here though I see.
> A country which has > presided over a world built on slums. Your guy even lies about how > many mansions he owns.
He's not my guy. And you lie about being a socialist while living high on the capitalist hog.
Skepticl1
2008-08-25 12:20:17 EST
On 25 Aug, 07:23, Sydney Diego <all...@email.com> wrote: > On Aug 24, 11:46�pm, "skepti...@aol.com" <skepti...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 24 Aug, 13:13, Sydney Diego <all...@email.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 24, 1:05 pm, skepticl1 <skepti...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > If you will put up with the Presidential Candidate lying about how > > > > many homes and mansions he owns you will put up with anything > > > > Well, we put up with you claiming to be a Socialist....... > > > > > In The Soviet Union there were NO millioniares because > > > > people were so equal. --Skeptic > > > > Some were more equal than others though eh? > > > > Especially the politburo members with their Black Sea beachfront > > > properties, no waiting in line for a loaf of bread and a bottle of > > > vodka for them ! > > > > "What grew during the Brezhnev years were bureaucracy and the size of > > > the Communist Party - with many Party members working in > > > bureaucracies. And growing too were the number of vacation residences, > > > pensions, perks and privileges for Party members. In the eyes of the > > > common Soviet citizen, corruption was growing alongside economic > > > stagnation" > > > > go do your homework rube > > > What you describe about the USSR can't begin to touch the inequality > > that is everyday practice in the United Snakes. > > Well, I've never had to wait hours in line for a loaf of bread here. > And since you didn't live under the brutal communist regimes, frankly > you're not qualified to say. > > Enjoying your capitalist lifestyle here though I see. > > > A country which has > > presided over a world built on slums. Your guy even lies about how > > many mansions he owns. > > He's not my guy. And you lie about being a socialist while living high > on the capitalist hog.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
You don't have to wait for a loaf of bread because you are so rich and spoiled, but you do have to step over a homeless person, or watch the pigs taser a Mexican immigrant in a gestapo raid to get to your trendy organic food store (which is anti-union I bet). I traveled to East Germany when it was under goulash Soviet rule in the 1980s and I delivered medical supplies to the Sandinistas during their revolution in Nicaragua.
Sydney Diego
2008-08-25 12:39:48 EST
On Aug 25, 9:20 am, skepticl1 <skepti...@aol.com> wrote: > On 25 Aug, 07:23, Sydney Diego <all...@email.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 24, 11:46 pm, "skepti...@aol.com" <skepti...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > On 24 Aug, 13:13, Sydney Diego <all...@email.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 24, 1:05 pm, skepticl1 <skepti...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > If you will put up with the Presidential Candidate lying about how > > > > > many homes and mansions he owns you will put up with anything > > > > > Well, we put up with you claiming to be a Socialist....... > > > > > > In The Soviet Union there were NO millioniares because > > > > > people were so equal. --Skeptic > > > > > Some were more equal than others though eh? > > > > > Especially the politburo members with their Black Sea beachfront > > > > properties, no waiting in line for a loaf of bread and a bottle of > > > > vodka for them ! > > > > > "What grew during the Brezhnev years were bureaucracy and the size of > > > > the Communist Party - with many Party members working in > > > > bureaucracies. And growing too were the number of vacation residences, > > > > pensions, perks and privileges for Party members. In the eyes of the > > > > common Soviet citizen, corruption was growing alongside economic > > > > stagnation" > > > > > go do your homework rube > > > > What you describe about the USSR can't begin to touch the inequality > > > that is everyday practice in the United Snakes. > > > Well, I've never had to wait hours in line for a loaf of bread here. > > And since you didn't live under the brutal communist regimes, frankly > > you're not qualified to say. > > > Enjoying your capitalist lifestyle here though I see. > > > > A country which has > > > presided over a world built on slums. Your guy even lies about how > > > many mansions he owns. > > > He's not my guy. And you lie about being a socialist while living high > > on the capitalist hog.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > You don't have to wait for a loaf of bread because you are so rich and > spoiled, but you do have to step over a homeless person, or watch the > pigs taser a Mexican immigrant in a gestapo raid to get to your trendy > organic food store (which is anti-union I bet).
Well, the FACTS are I tend to shop at Albertsons (don't know or care if it's unionized), I don't step over any homeless people and I have never seen any Police vs. Illegal immigrant incident you describe.
My next door neighbor however is a 1st generation LEGAL immigrant and he's a hell of a lot more anti-ILLEGAL immigration than I am.
> I traveled to East > Germany when it was under goulash Soviet rule in the 1980s
Were they forcing everyone to eat Hungarian Beef Stews ?
>and I > delivered medical supplies to the Sandinistas during their revolution > in Nicaragua.- Hide quoted text -
And now you live the Capitalist lifestyle to the hilt and pretend you're a Socialist.
Not buyin' it Billy-Boy, you love it here or you'd have left by now.
Skepticl1
2008-08-25 13:08:01 EST
On 25 Aug, 09:39, Sydney Diego <all...@email.com> wrote: > On Aug 25, 9:20 am, skepticl1 <skepti...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 25 Aug, 07:23, Sydney Diego <all...@email.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 24, 11:46 pm, "skepti...@aol.com" <skepti...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > On 24 Aug, 13:13, Sydney Diego <all...@email.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 24, 1:05 pm, skepticl1 <skepti...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > If you will put up with the Presidential Candidate lying about how > > > > > > many homes and mansions he owns you will put up with anything > > > > > > Well, we put up with you claiming to be a Socialist....... > > > > > > > In The Soviet Union there were NO millioniares because > > > > > > people were so equal. --Skeptic > > > > > > Some were more equal than others though eh? > > > > > > Especially the politburo members with their Black Sea beachfront > > > > > properties, no waiting in line for a loaf of bread and a bottle of > > > > > vodka for them ! > > > > > > "What grew during the Brezhnev years were bureaucracy and the size of > > > > > the Communist Party - with many Party members working in > > > > > bureaucracies. And growing too were the number of vacation residences, > > > > > pensions, perks and privileges for Party members. In the eyes of the > > > > > common Soviet citizen, corruption was growing alongside economic > > > > > stagnation" > > > > > > go do your homework rube > > > > > What you describe about the USSR can't begin to touch the inequality > > > > that is everyday practice in the United Snakes. > > > > Well, I've never had to wait hours in line for a loaf of bread here. > > > And since you didn't live under the brutal communist regimes, frankly > > > you're not qualified to say. > > > > Enjoying your capitalist lifestyle here though I see. > > > > > A country which has > > > > presided over a world built on slums. Your guy even lies about how > > > > many mansions he owns. > > > > He's not my guy. And you lie about being a socialist while living high > > > on the capitalist hog.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > You don't have to wait for a loaf of bread because you are so rich and > > spoiled, but you do have to step over a homeless person, or watch the > > pigs taser a Mexican immigrant in a gestapo raid to get to your trendy > > organic food store (which is anti-union I bet). > > Well, the FACTS are I tend to shop at Albertsons (don't know or care > if it's unionized), I don't step over any homeless people and I have > never seen any Police vs. Illegal immigrant incident you describe. > > My next door neighbor however is a 1st generation LEGAL immigrant and > he's a hell of a lot more anti-ILLEGAL immigration than I am.
Skeptic Responds:
So your immigrant neighbor who hates new immigrants is an anti-human asshole too?
> > > I traveled to East > > Germany when it was under goulash Soviet rule in the 1980s > > Were they forcing everyone to eat Hungarian Beef Stews ? > > >and I > > delivered medical supplies to the Sandinistas during their revolution > > in Nicaragua.- Hide quoted text - > > And now you live the Capitalist lifestyle to the hilt and pretend > you're a Socialist. > > Not buyin' it Billy-Boy, you love it here or you'd have left by now.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
I live in a very upscale neighborhood in a part of town which has the highest popsicle index imaginable (how safe it is to send your kid down to the local store to buy a popsicle):
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But even in a neighborhood filled with mansions I've seen the police jack up immigrants for selling oranges on the corner. When I go a nearby restaurant there are homeless people living in the bushes who last night came into the restaurant to threaten me with a throat cutting gesture because I touched his 'brother's' wheelchair outside. Black people are afraid to drive in Sonoma County (especially Petaluma) because the Police have murdered more Black and Immigrant people than the number of people murdered by Police in New York City, with it's millions and millions of inhabitants.
It's like the great depression, but you are too greedy, spoiled and bigoted to care or even know about the people in your neighborhood. And NZD's Pacific Islander Neighbor's don't talk to him either. Wonder why?
Sydney Diego
2008-08-25 13:16:56 EST
On Aug 25, 10:08 am, skepticl1 <skepti...@aol.com> wrote: > On 25 Aug, 09:39, Sydney Diego <all...@email.com> wrote: >
> > > My next door neighbor however is a 1st generation LEGAL immigrant and > > he's a hell of a lot more anti-ILLEGAL immigration than I am. > > Skeptic Responds: > > So your immigrant neighbor who hates new immigrants is an anti-human > asshole >
No, he's pro-obeying the law and treating everyone who wants to come to this country fairly and by the same rules. Immigrate, but do it legally.
> > >and I > > > delivered medical supplies to the Sandinistas during their revolution > > > in Nicaragua.- Hide quoted text - > > > And now you live the Capitalist lifestyle to the hilt and pretend > > you're a Socialist. > > > Not buyin' it Billy-Boy, you love it here or you'd have left by now.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > I live in a very upscale neighborhood in a part of town which has the > highest popsicle index imaginable (how safe it is to send your kid > down to the local store to buy a popsicle): >
I know EXACTLY where you live Billy, it's public knowledge.
You KNOW you couldn't lead the same lifestyle in a commie-shithole country, so you fake your socialist leanings for who knows whatever bizarro reason, but deep down you're more of a Capitalist than most of us. And you love it.
> And NZD's Pacific Islander Neighbor's don't talk to him either. Wonder > why?-
Maybe they're too busy talking to you on your Capitalism-purchased vacations there ?