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Freedom Fighter
2008-11-16 18:36:13 EST
It is highly unlikely that New Yorkers would elect ANY Republican as their
governor, given the economic crisis and other failures and crimes of this
party. Giuliani in particular should be opposed by every American that has a
desire to restore and preserve our freedom and democracy. He is truly
malevolent; a potential Hitler. If you have any doubts about this, read the
proof below:



AMERICA'S MARTINET - The DANGEROUS Rudy Giuliani



The corporate mass media has called him "America's mayor." Critics label him
a dangerous fascist. Whether he's the alleged hero who "took charge" on
September 11, 2001, or the frightening face of a new American Reich, it
appears that the threat to American freedom and democracy that is Rudolph
Giuliani will not go away.



When Giuliani emerged from the toxic dust of the World Trade Center the
national media caught a quick case of amnesia, preferring the iconic image
of a "hero" over reality. They quickly forgot Giuliani's dismal tenure in
mayoral office, his life-costing failures to address the threat of
terrorism, and his sorry performance on the morning of September 11, 2001.



Before picking up the "hero" moniker, Giuliani was commonly referred to in
the city he governed as a despotic fascist and a mean-spirited thug. These
accusations didn't just come from civil libertarians either. Former New
York Mayor Ed Koch likened Giuliani to former Chilean dictator Augusto
Pinochet. According to Koch, Giuliani "uses the levers of power to punish
any critic." Koch went on to explain, "He doesn't have that right - that's
why the First Amendment is so important." Yes, and by the end of 2002 the
courts had found Giuliani in violation of that constitutional pillar of
American freedom twenty-seven times!



More than 35 successful lawsuits were brought against Giuliani and his
administration for blocking free speech. In his book Speaking Freely, First
Amendment lawyer Floyd Abrams said Giuliani had an "insistence on doing the
one thing that the First Amendment most clearly forbids: using the power of
government to restrict or punish speech critical of government itself."



Giuliani's disdain for freedom of speech is best exemplified by the case of
Robert Lederman, an artist that drew caricatures of Giuliani as a dictator
and depicted his policies as transforming New York into a police state.
Lederman was ARRESTED FORTY-ONE TIMES during Giuliani's reign, not by street
cops but police brass under Giuliani's orders, for displaying his art at
political demonstrations and on the streets of New York. All were false
arrests, as Lederman was never convicted of a crime.



In a similar fashion and again in brazen violation of the First Amendment,
Giuliani ordered paid advertisements for New York Magazine removed from
public buses because the ads touted the magazine as "possibly the only good
thing in New York Rudy hasn't taken credit for." Giuliani's response to
criticism thus often proves it was highly justified.



According to the New York Times, the Daily News, and the New York Post,
former New York State Governor Eliot Spitzer went on record in October 1998,
saying, "the current Mayor thinks he's a dictator, and does not have
sufficient respect not only for other branches of government, but also for
the citizenry and its opportunities to speak out and be heard."



Spitzer's statements, like Lederman's false arrests, stemmed from Giuliani's
totalitarian "zero tolerance" policies, which he claimed would improve the
"quality of life" in New York by punishing trivial violations such as
jaywalking, drinking in public, marijuana possession, and panhandling, and
even non-violations such as Lederman's persistent expressions of free
speech. Under this policy, New Yorkers were handcuffed and dragged off to
jail for peacefully drinking beer on their front stoops - the New York City
equivalent of hanging out on the porch. Marijuana possession arrests
increased by well over 4,000 percent. Arrests were even made for such
things as riding a bike without a bell on it and sitting on milk crates on
the sidewalk.



Giuliani's courtship of rogue police officers and seduction of the NYPD to
become his personal Gestapo began in September 1992, when he addressed an
angry rally of cops protesting then-mayor Dinkins's proposal for a civilian
board to review police misconduct.



It was a rowdy, often threatening, crowd. Hundreds of white off-duty cops
drank heavily (a violation for which, under Giuliani, many citizens would
later be arrested), and a few waved signs like "Dump the Washroom
Attendant," a racist reference to mayor Dinkins. Twice, Giuliani called the
Dinkins proposal "bullshit." The crowd cheered, and Giuliani was jubilant.
"Rudy was out there inciting white cops to riot," Mr. Dinkins stated.



As mayor, Giuliani's racial and ethnic biases and favoritisms were blatant.
For over a century the public use of firecrackers by the Asian-American
community for their New Years celebration, a religious and cultural
tradition, had been allowed. In 1997 though Giuliani lined Chinatown
streets with hundreds of police to suppress this, and even refused to allow
a permit for a professionally supervised display. The Christian equivalent
of this would be banning Christmas trees and decorations because they
occasionally start fires. Giuliani never relented on this. On the Jewish
festival of Purim however, when fireworks are used in the streets of Jewish
neighborhoods, the police continued to look the other way! They also
ignored bonfires set in Jewish neighborhood streets to destroy leavened
bread before Passover. Can you imagine the police response to this in any
poor, Black, Hispanic, or Asian-American community? Giuliani's lasting
legacy is that in New York fireworks are OK on Purim, but celebrate the 4th
of July with them and you can get arrested. So much for "Independence" Day.



Eventually almost 70,000 citizens sued the city for such police abuses as
strip-searching suspected jaywalkers. In 1999 James Savage, president of
the New York City police union, referred to Giuliani's zero tolerance policy
as "a blueprint for a police state and tyranny." Under the guise of fighting
crime, Giuliani had thus transformed the NYPD into his own private Gestapo,
and his abuse of power went as far as assigning two NYPD detectives, at
taxpayer expense, as round-the-clock bodyguards for his MISTRESS. This
after his closing down all the strip clubs on "moral grounds!"



Giuliani shored up control of the police department by appointing crony
Howard Safir as commissioner. Safir then made the department's Street
Crimes Unit into what New York journalist Nat Hentoff described as a "rogue
operation" that made "Dirty Harry look like Mahatma Gandhi." Fashion-wise,
the unit had a resemblance to Guatemala's notorious military death squads,
wearing "We Own the Night" t-shirts, and shirts citing Ernest Hemingway's
"There is no hunting like the hunting of man" quote - quite a variation from
standard issue uniforms!



This is the police unit that became notorious for shooting innocent African
immigrant Amadou Diallo FORTY TIMES as he reached for his wallet after being
ordered to show identification. When New Yorkers took to the streets to
protest the unjustified killing, Giuliani told the press that people were
protesting due to "their own personal inadequacies."



Hatian immigrant Abner Louima, arrested in 1997 on a minor charge, was
brutally beaten on the trip to Brooklyn's 70th precinct. There officers
took him into a bathroom where convicted rogue cop Justin Volpe sadistically
shoved a plunger handle up Louima's rectum, then forced the same object into
his mouth, breaking his teeth. Louima was hospitalized with serious
injuries, and stated that during his torture one of these sadists said to
him "This is Giuliani time!"



When Safir left, Giuliani appointed Bernard Kerik to take his place. This
is the man Giuliani also recommended to head up Homeland Security. Kerik
later pleaded guilty to accepting gifts and loans from businesses with
alleged organized crime ties while he served as police commissioner.



Some credit Giuliani's Draconian excesses with the drop in crime in New
York, but as on 9/11, he just happened to be in the right place at the right
time to take credit for this. During this period crime dropped similarly
nationwide, mostly the result of changing demographics and better policing
methods.



Eventually the Giuliani-sanctioned anything-goes extremism infected other
units in the police department. When plainclothes cops asked a black man on
the street to sell them marijuana, the man, Patrick Dorismond, took offense
to being called a drug dealer and got into a scuffle with the unidentified
officers, who then SHOT HIM DEAD. Giuliani issued a knee-jerk defense of
the killer cops, telling the press that Dorismond was "no altar boy."
Salon.com pointed out that in fact he WAS an altar boy! Desperate to
justify the killing, Giuliani ordered the ILLEGAL release of Dorismond's
sealed juvenile record - for disorderly conduct! It seems that under
Giuliani, this justifies the death penalty. Giuliani's contribution to
Dorismond's funeral was a squadron of police in full riot gear, inciting
violence that would not have occurred without their unnecessary and
disrespectful presence.



Former schools Chancellor Rudy Crew, a one-time pal of Giuliani, stated:
"There's something very deeply pathological about Rudy's humanity - He was
barren, completely emotionally barren, on the issue of race." Giuliani's
vile racism has even been acknowledged by his successor, Mayor Bloomberg:
"You forget that every single decision [in the Giuliani administration],
everybody, every story, everything was always couched in terms of race" -
quoted in the November 4, 2003 Daily News from Vanity Fair magazine.



By the time his ship came in on September 11, 2001, Giuliani's approval
rating, according to a Quinnipiac University poll, had hit a Bush-like 37
percent. Hizzoner got downright weird, proposing a Taliban-style "decency
panel," operated out of his office, which would have the power to determine
what would be considered "art" in New York City. This came after the
debacle of Giuliani's failed attempt to cut public funding for the Brooklyn
Museum because he considered art on exhibit there to be offensive. He also
began having nightclubs lacking a cabaret license raided by the police for
allowing patrons to dance. And early in 2001 he ordered a city-wide ban on
pet ferrets, claiming there was something "deranged" about opponents of the
ban, and that "excessive concern with little weasels is a sickness."



In desperation to recover his plummeting popularity, Giuliani seized upon
any and every opportunity to appear the "hero." Despite demanding a
crackdown on speeding, his car and entourage were seen and reported in the
press as greatly exceeding the speed limit in racing to locations of
newsworthy events so he could appear there in front of the media cameras.



Giuliani's perhaps most criminally negligent if not malevolent pretense to
heroism came with his West Nile Virus hoax. This usually mild,
mosquito-borne disease is not contagious person to person and is far less
dangerous than common influenza, but Giuliani had the media play it up as an
impending disaster, and came on like a knight in shining armor with a
solution. His solution was far worse than the disease, and no doubt has
caused and will cause many illnesses and deaths, as did his post-9/11
assurances that the Ground Zero air was safe to breathe. He had the entire
city repeatedly sprayed from the air with Malathion, a highly toxic
insecticide, and completely disregarded the manufacturer's advised safety
precautions in doing so. Note that malicious intent is far harder to prove
in such environmental poisoning cases than when the police are ordered to
falsely arrest someone, or tacitly encouraged to brutally beat suspects or
shoot them to death.



Giuliani himself was actually responsible for the alleged West Nile Virus
threat. He had disbanded New York's Pest Control Unit, whose job was to find
and eradicate pools of stagnant water where mosquitoes breed. Thus he set
the stage for his "heroic" response to this "crisis."



Regarding the Ground Zero air and the many now dead or dying therefrom,
former EPA Secretary Christine Whitman has stated that she urged Ground Zero
workers to wear respirators, but that Giuliani blocked her efforts, and also
that the Giuliani administration appeared to be more concerned with its
image than the safety and speedy response of EPA employees in the wake of
the subsequent anthrax scare.



Jerome Hauer was the city's emergency management director from 1996 to 2000,
and is recognized as a leading expert on biological and chemical terrorism.
"Rudy would make a terrible president and that is why I am speaking now," Mr
Hauer told London's The Sunday Telegraph. "He's a control freak who
micro-manages decisions, he has a confrontational character trait and picks
fights just to score points. He's the last thing this country needs as
president." Mr Hauer also accused Mr Giuliani of failing to sort out turf
battles between the city's police and fire departments, and of appointing
inexperienced cronies to key positions.



Pet ferrets weren't the only ones to get the boot in Giuliani's New York.
Hizzoner boasted of moving people from welfare to workfare, where thousands
of people earned less than two dollars per hour replacing an equivalent
number of parks department employees whose positions were downsized. During
this period, 13,000 welfare-dependent City University students were FORCED
TO LEAVE COLLEGE and enter the menial workfare force, where less than six
percent of participants transition to real employment paying minimum wage or
more. In this we see Giuliani's cruel rewarding of riches and punishing
poverty, as if wealth and poverty were not inherently rewarding and
punishing conditions.



Giuliani's deceitful, mean-spirited behavior was evident on the day after
Thanksgiving, 1999. The NY Daily News reported Giuliani, sporting a white
chef's apron, preparing food for the holiday with volunteers at a Manhattan
charity kitchen. On the same page with this public relations charade piece
was an article titled "The mayor treats us like prey, say needy." This
reported the Giuliani-ordered arrests of homeless people whose only crime
was sleeping on the streets because they had nowhere else to go. On the day
before Thanksgiving, 34 were arrested and 13 were issued summonses.



Mega-real estate developer Donald Trump described Giuliani as "maybe the
best [mayor] ever," obviously meaning the most profitable for him. However,
Ralph Nader called him "the oligarch's mayor." Giuliani took credit for a
high-end real estate boom while presiding over double-digit rises in
homelessness, cutting public spending on affordable housing by nearly half
and housing for the homeless by nearly three quarters.



Today, "America's mayor" lives and breathes a 9/11 mantra. Forget the
pathetic, cruel, even sadistic details of his tenure in Gracie Mansion; he
is now portrayed as an iconic American hero - the "leader" we needed when
George W. Bush was otherwise occupied on September 11, 2001.



But was Giuliani really a hero on that infamous day of horror?



Just like Bush, Giuliani's failing political career was rescued by the
terrorists that attacked New York and Washington on 9/11. Some believe
these terrorists had help from within the US government, and even that some
within the government itself were the terrorists. As any detective knows,
to find criminals, one must consider who benefited from the crime.



It is strange if not truly sinister that Giuliani stated to Peter Jennings
in an interview that on 9/11 he had prior knowledge of the World Trade
Center building collapses, but subsequently he denied and continues to deny
that he said this. Here Giuliani is caught in a direct lie - you can hear
it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hNmf76GUCw More documentation can be
found at: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_giuliani.html



On 9/11 New York was left without an emergency command center because
Giuliani, against the advice of both the police and fire departments,
decided to locate the center conveniently near City Hall in World Trade
Center building 7, along with tanks containing tens of thousands of gallons
of fuel, in direct violation of New York City fire laws. This was despite a
1993 bombing of the WTC, proving it to be the number one terrorism target.
It was this decision that put him on the street on 9/11 instead of inside a
command center coordinating operations. Ironically, this decision also put
him in front of hundreds of press cameras, sparking his image transformation
into a "hero."



While our "hero" was posing for the cameras, however, there was no
communication possible between the police department and the fire
department, whose REAL heroes were rushing to their deaths inside the
towers. And there was likewise no communication between the police officers
who identified an open stairway for escape from above the fire zone and the
911 phone operators who were telling soon-to-be-dead office workers to stay
put and wait for the firefighters. Giuliani had been aware of the
inadequacy of the emergency services' communications equipment for many
years, but did absolutely nothing about it. This criminal negligence also
doomed hundreds of firefighters and police that were unable to hear the
orders to evacuate the north tower.



Whatever possibility existed for communication between the police and fire
departments, whose radios operated on different frequencies, evaporated when
Giuliani visited a makeshift fire/police command center that had formed in
his absence. There he ORDERED THE POLICE BRASS TO LEAVE and accompany him
uptown. This "heroic leadership" effectively put the fire department and
police department commanders in different physical locations with no
communication possible between them.



Present Police Commissioner Ray Kelly stated that he doesn't have any idea
who was in charge on 9/11 because Bernie Kerik and all the top chiefs in the
police department basically acted as bodyguards to Giuliani and no one was
running the shop.



A month after the September 11 attacks, firefighters took to the streets to
protest Giuliani's decision to limit the number of uniformed firefighters
and police officers sifting through the rubble for remains, and the "scoop
and dump" haste of the cleanup. They accused the administration of rushing
the cleanup at the cost of trashing the remains of victims. [And, it is
pointed out by 9/11 conspiracy theorists, to dispose of all incriminating
evidence as quickly as possible. The steel, some claim bearing evidence of
demolition explosives, was shipped to China and quickly melted down.] At
the firefighters' demonstration Giuliani, in signature style, ordered Peter
Gorman, head of the Uniformed Fire Officers Association, and Kevin
Gallagher, head of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, to be ARRESTED at
the protest site! A spokesperson for Gallagher told the media "The mayor
fails to realize that New York City is not a dictatorship." Gorman went a
step further, joining hordes of New Yorkers calling the mayor a "fascist" -
which brings us back to the fascistic conduct issue that dogged Giuliani
throughout his mayoral tenure.



Giuliani often answers the charge by accusing his detractors of ethnic
bias - as if "fascist" were somehow an ethnic slur against
Italian-Americans. His charge itself, however, reeks of
anti-Italian-American ethnic bias, ignoring the role New York's
Italian-American community has played in local politics - giving the city,
for example, its most revered mayor, Fiorello LaGuardia. The fascist
charges do not stem from Giuliani's ethnicity, they stem from his own
actions and statements, such as:



" - FREEDOM IS NOT A CONCEPT IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN DO ANYTHING

THEY WANT, BE ANYTHING THEY CAN BE. FREEDOM IS ABOUT AUTHORITY.

FREEDOM IS ABOUT THE WILLINGNESS OF EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING TO

CEDE TO LAWFUL AUTHORITY A GREAT DEAL OF DISCRETION ABOUT WHAT

YOU DO AND HOW YOU DO IT."

- Mayor Giuliani, quoted in the New York Times, March 17, 1994.



Though sworn to uphold our Constitution, by the end of 2002 the courts had
found Giuliani in violation of the First Amendment TWENTY-SEVEN TIMES.
Mayor David Dinkins, his predecessor in office, bravely stated that Giuliani
is " - a bully, mean-spirited, and he rules through fear and intimidation."



At reason.com/blog, one finds a statement by David Weigel regarding
Giuliani:



"This is the cornerstone of his philosophy: For liberty to thrive, you need
to dramatically empower the state and the legal system. Criminals and
would-be criminals should have less freedom in order for the rest of us to
enjoy our freedoms. This is the framework he's applied to basically every
issue - "



Who, we must ask, are the "would-be criminals?" Obviously ALL OF US, as at
one time or another everyone knowingly or unknowingly commits a violation
such as jaywalking, speeding, or drinking in public. So under Giuliani's
rule we ALL have less freedom, and the privileged "rest of us" are those
that rule over us, the "dramatically empowered" state. Does this sound like
something out of Mein Kampf?



And you thought that George W. Bush was a dangerous tyrant?



When the lessons of history are ignored, history repeats.



Compare the following to the above Giuliani "Freedom" quote:

"State authority must provide for peace and order, and peace and order in
turn must conversely make possible the existence of state authority. Within
these two poles all life must now revolve...Ideas of 'freedom,' mostly of a
misunderstood nature, inject themselves into the state conceptions of these
circles." - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf.



And an old but relevant news story:

Berlin, Monday, Aug. 20, 1934 -- Eighty-nine and nine-tenths percent of the
German voters endorsed in yesterday's plebiscite Chancellor Hitler's
assumption of greater power than has ever been possessed by any other ruler
in modern times. Nearly 10 per cent indicated their disapproval. The
result was expected.



RECOMMENDED READING:



Giuliani: Nasty Man - by Edward I. Koch, former NYC mayor.



Giuliani Time (DVD) - with David Dinkins, Ron Kuby, Wayne Barrett, Rudolph
W. Giuliani, Kevin Keating.



Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11 - by Wayne
Barrett and Dan Collins.



"Rudy Giuliani: Urban Legend" can be viewed at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Erudy%2Durbanlegend%2Ecom%2F



Werner
2008-11-16 18:48:06 EST
On Nov 16, 6:36 pm, "Freedom Fighter" <libe...@once.net> wrote:
> It is highly unlikely that New Yorkers would elect ANY Republican as their
> governor, given the economic crisis and other failures and crimes of this
> party. ...


Actually, if memory serves, NYC was an economic basket case before he
was elected mayor. Now that I think of it, most cities are
traditionally Democrat and most of them have been economic basket
cases for a long time.


O*@real.com
2008-11-17 07:51:19 EST
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:36:13 GMT, "Freedom Fighter"
<*y@once.net> wrote:

I have no idea why you're being so nice to
the Ghoul and pulling your punches by leaving
out many of the other totally disgusting things
that he did, like to his wife and such, the
appointment of the criminal Harding, and
the much more revealing details about him
and the story of Kerik.

I can only guess that you wanted to spare
the readers the possibility of retching and
heaving.

Be that as it may, some how I don't think
there's going to be the racist fervor afoot
by the time he gets to run, that there was
when he ran for mayor. Racists are besides
themselves in abject agony right now that
a blackman has won the Presidency. Soon
that agony will subside and many will come
peacefully to terms with the new reality. Those
who will not, will be moved to attempt things
they should not, and be caught. After all they're
not the best planners, they depend more on
numbers than brains. It's much more likely that
he will be unable to win the nomination. Unless,
there's nobody else willing to run. So that makes
for a really disengaging campaign, much like
what we saw in the national one, where he
was stripped of his "America's Mayor" halo,
because that's all he had to offer.

This disgusting little man should stay in the
depths of the dust bin of history if he knows
what's good for him.

Obwon

I'll leave this in for those who have the
stomach to read it:

>It is highly unlikely that New Yorkers would elect ANY Republican as their
>governor, given the economic crisis and other failures and crimes of this
>party. Giuliani in particular should be opposed by every American that has a
>desire to restore and preserve our freedom and democracy. He is truly
>malevolent; a potential Hitler. If you have any doubts about this, read the
>proof below:
>
>
>
>AMERICA'S MARTINET - The DANGEROUS Rudy Giuliani
>
>
>
>The corporate mass media has called him "America's mayor." Critics label him
>a dangerous fascist. Whether he's the alleged hero who "took charge" on
>September 11, 2001, or the frightening face of a new American Reich, it
>appears that the threat to American freedom and democracy that is Rudolph
>Giuliani will not go away.
>
>
>
>When Giuliani emerged from the toxic dust of the World Trade Center the
>national media caught a quick case of amnesia, preferring the iconic image
>of a "hero" over reality. They quickly forgot Giuliani's dismal tenure in
>mayoral office, his life-costing failures to address the threat of
>terrorism, and his sorry performance on the morning of September 11, 2001.
>
>
>
>Before picking up the "hero" moniker, Giuliani was commonly referred to in
>the city he governed as a despotic fascist and a mean-spirited thug. These
>accusations didn't just come from civil libertarians either. Former New
>York Mayor Ed Koch likened Giuliani to former Chilean dictator Augusto
>Pinochet. According to Koch, Giuliani "uses the levers of power to punish
>any critic." Koch went on to explain, "He doesn't have that right - that's
>why the First Amendment is so important." Yes, and by the end of 2002 the
>courts had found Giuliani in violation of that constitutional pillar of
>American freedom twenty-seven times!
>
>
>
>More than 35 successful lawsuits were brought against Giuliani and his
>administration for blocking free speech. In his book Speaking Freely, First
>Amendment lawyer Floyd Abrams said Giuliani had an "insistence on doing the
>one thing that the First Amendment most clearly forbids: using the power of
>government to restrict or punish speech critical of government itself."
>
>
>
>Giuliani's disdain for freedom of speech is best exemplified by the case of
>Robert Lederman, an artist that drew caricatures of Giuliani as a dictator
>and depicted his policies as transforming New York into a police state.
>Lederman was ARRESTED FORTY-ONE TIMES during Giuliani's reign, not by street
>cops but police brass under Giuliani's orders, for displaying his art at
>political demonstrations and on the streets of New York. All were false
>arrests, as Lederman was never convicted of a crime.
>
>
>
>In a similar fashion and again in brazen violation of the First Amendment,
>Giuliani ordered paid advertisements for New York Magazine removed from
>public buses because the ads touted the magazine as "possibly the only good
>thing in New York Rudy hasn't taken credit for." Giuliani's response to
>criticism thus often proves it was highly justified.
>
>
>
>According to the New York Times, the Daily News, and the New York Post,
>former New York State Governor Eliot Spitzer went on record in October 1998,
>saying, "the current Mayor thinks he's a dictator, and does not have
>sufficient respect not only for other branches of government, but also for
>the citizenry and its opportunities to speak out and be heard."
>
>
>
>Spitzer's statements, like Lederman's false arrests, stemmed from Giuliani's
>totalitarian "zero tolerance" policies, which he claimed would improve the
>"quality of life" in New York by punishing trivial violations such as
>jaywalking, drinking in public, marijuana possession, and panhandling, and
>even non-violations such as Lederman's persistent expressions of free
>speech. Under this policy, New Yorkers were handcuffed and dragged off to
>jail for peacefully drinking beer on their front stoops - the New York City
>equivalent of hanging out on the porch. Marijuana possession arrests
>increased by well over 4,000 percent. Arrests were even made for such
>things as riding a bike without a bell on it and sitting on milk crates on
>the sidewalk.
>
>
>
>Giuliani's courtship of rogue police officers and seduction of the NYPD to
>become his personal Gestapo began in September 1992, when he addressed an
>angry rally of cops protesting then-mayor Dinkins's proposal for a civilian
>board to review police misconduct.
>
>
>
>It was a rowdy, often threatening, crowd. Hundreds of white off-duty cops
>drank heavily (a violation for which, under Giuliani, many citizens would
>later be arrested), and a few waved signs like "Dump the Washroom
>Attendant," a racist reference to mayor Dinkins. Twice, Giuliani called the
>Dinkins proposal "bullshit." The crowd cheered, and Giuliani was jubilant.
>"Rudy was out there inciting white cops to riot," Mr. Dinkins stated.
>
>
>
>As mayor, Giuliani's racial and ethnic biases and favoritisms were blatant.
>For over a century the public use of firecrackers by the Asian-American
>community for their New Years celebration, a religious and cultural
>tradition, had been allowed. In 1997 though Giuliani lined Chinatown
>streets with hundreds of police to suppress this, and even refused to allow
>a permit for a professionally supervised display. The Christian equivalent
>of this would be banning Christmas trees and decorations because they
>occasionally start fires. Giuliani never relented on this. On the Jewish
>festival of Purim however, when fireworks are used in the streets of Jewish
>neighborhoods, the police continued to look the other way! They also
>ignored bonfires set in Jewish neighborhood streets to destroy leavened
>bread before Passover. Can you imagine the police response to this in any
>poor, Black, Hispanic, or Asian-American community? Giuliani's lasting
>legacy is that in New York fireworks are OK on Purim, but celebrate the 4th
>of July with them and you can get arrested. So much for "Independence" Day.
>
>
>
>Eventually almost 70,000 citizens sued the city for such police abuses as
>strip-searching suspected jaywalkers. In 1999 James Savage, president of
>the New York City police union, referred to Giuliani's zero tolerance policy
>as "a blueprint for a police state and tyranny." Under the guise of fighting
>crime, Giuliani had thus transformed the NYPD into his own private Gestapo,
>and his abuse of power went as far as assigning two NYPD detectives, at
>taxpayer expense, as round-the-clock bodyguards for his MISTRESS. This
>after his closing down all the strip clubs on "moral grounds!"
>
>
>
>Giuliani shored up control of the police department by appointing crony
>Howard Safir as commissioner. Safir then made the department's Street
>Crimes Unit into what New York journalist Nat Hentoff described as a "rogue
>operation" that made "Dirty Harry look like Mahatma Gandhi." Fashion-wise,
>the unit had a resemblance to Guatemala's notorious military death squads,
>wearing "We Own the Night" t-shirts, and shirts citing Ernest Hemingway's
>"There is no hunting like the hunting of man" quote - quite a variation from
>standard issue uniforms!
>
>
>
>This is the police unit that became notorious for shooting innocent African
>immigrant Amadou Diallo FORTY TIMES as he reached for his wallet after being
>ordered to show identification. When New Yorkers took to the streets to
>protest the unjustified killing, Giuliani told the press that people were
>protesting due to "their own personal inadequacies."
>
>
>
>Hatian immigrant Abner Louima, arrested in 1997 on a minor charge, was
>brutally beaten on the trip to Brooklyn's 70th precinct. There officers
>took him into a bathroom where convicted rogue cop Justin Volpe sadistically
>shoved a plunger handle up Louima's rectum, then forced the same object into
>his mouth, breaking his teeth. Louima was hospitalized with serious
>injuries, and stated that during his torture one of these sadists said to
>him "This is Giuliani time!"
>
>
>
>When Safir left, Giuliani appointed Bernard Kerik to take his place. This
>is the man Giuliani also recommended to head up Homeland Security. Kerik
>later pleaded guilty to accepting gifts and loans from businesses with
>alleged organized crime ties while he served as police commissioner.
>
>
>
>Some credit Giuliani's Draconian excesses with the drop in crime in New
>York, but as on 9/11, he just happened to be in the right place at the right
>time to take credit for this. During this period crime dropped similarly
>nationwide, mostly the result of changing demographics and better policing
>methods.
>
>
>
>Eventually the Giuliani-sanctioned anything-goes extremism infected other
>units in the police department. When plainclothes cops asked a black man on
>the street to sell them marijuana, the man, Patrick Dorismond, took offense
>to being called a drug dealer and got into a scuffle with the unidentified
>officers, who then SHOT HIM DEAD. Giuliani issued a knee-jerk defense of
>the killer cops, telling the press that Dorismond was "no altar boy."
>Salon.com pointed out that in fact he WAS an altar boy! Desperate to
>justify the killing, Giuliani ordered the ILLEGAL release of Dorismond's
>sealed juvenile record - for disorderly conduct! It seems that under
>Giuliani, this justifies the death penalty. Giuliani's contribution to
>Dorismond's funeral was a squadron of police in full riot gear, inciting
>violence that would not have occurred without their unnecessary and
>disrespectful presence.
>
>
>
>Former schools Chancellor Rudy Crew, a one-time pal of Giuliani, stated:
>"There's something very deeply pathological about Rudy's humanity - He was
>barren, completely emotionally barren, on the issue of race." Giuliani's
>vile racism has even been acknowledged by his successor, Mayor Bloomberg:
>"You forget that every single decision [in the Giuliani administration],
>everybody, every story, everything was always couched in terms of race" -
>quoted in the November 4, 2003 Daily News from Vanity Fair magazine.
>
>
>
>By the time his ship came in on September 11, 2001, Giuliani's approval
>rating, according to a Quinnipiac University poll, had hit a Bush-like 37
>percent. Hizzoner got downright weird, proposing a Taliban-style "decency
>panel," operated out of his office, which would have the power to determine
>what would be considered "art" in New York City. This came after the
>debacle of Giuliani's failed attempt to cut public funding for the Brooklyn
>Museum because he considered art on exhibit there to be offensive. He also
>began having nightclubs lacking a cabaret license raided by the police for
>allowing patrons to dance. And early in 2001 he ordered a city-wide ban on
>pet ferrets, claiming there was something "deranged" about opponents of the
>ban, and that "excessive concern with little weasels is a sickness."
>
>
>
>In desperation to recover his plummeting popularity, Giuliani seized upon
>any and every opportunity to appear the "hero." Despite demanding a
>crackdown on speeding, his car and entourage were seen and reported in the
>press as greatly exceeding the speed limit in racing to locations of
>newsworthy events so he could appear there in front of the media cameras.
>
>
>
>Giuliani's perhaps most criminally negligent if not malevolent pretense to
>heroism came with his West Nile Virus hoax. This usually mild,
>mosquito-borne disease is not contagious person to person and is far less
>dangerous than common influenza, but Giuliani had the media play it up as an
>impending disaster, and came on like a knight in shining armor with a
>solution. His solution was far worse than the disease, and no doubt has
>caused and will cause many illnesses and deaths, as did his post-9/11
>assurances that the Ground Zero air was safe to breathe. He had the entire
>city repeatedly sprayed from the air with Malathion, a highly toxic
>insecticide, and completely disregarded the manufacturer's advised safety
>precautions in doing so. Note that malicious intent is far harder to prove
>in such environmental poisoning cases than when the police are ordered to
>falsely arrest someone, or tacitly encouraged to brutally beat suspects or
>shoot them to death.
>
>
>
>Giuliani himself was actually responsible for the alleged West Nile Virus
>threat. He had disbanded New York's Pest Control Unit, whose job was to find
>and eradicate pools of stagnant water where mosquitoes breed. Thus he set
>the stage for his "heroic" response to this "crisis."
>
>
>
>Regarding the Ground Zero air and the many now dead or dying therefrom,
>former EPA Secretary Christine Whitman has stated that she urged Ground Zero
>workers to wear respirators, but that Giuliani blocked her efforts, and also
>that the Giuliani administration appeared to be more concerned with its
>image than the safety and speedy response of EPA employees in the wake of
>the subsequent anthrax scare.
>
>
>
>Jerome Hauer was the city's emergency management director from 1996 to 2000,
>and is recognized as a leading expert on biological and chemical terrorism.
>"Rudy would make a terrible president and that is why I am speaking now," Mr
>Hauer told London's The Sunday Telegraph. "He's a control freak who
>micro-manages decisions, he has a confrontational character trait and picks
>fights just to score points. He's the last thing this country needs as
>president." Mr Hauer also accused Mr Giuliani of failing to sort out turf
>battles between the city's police and fire departments, and of appointing
>inexperienced cronies to key positions.
>
>
>
>Pet ferrets weren't the only ones to get the boot in Giuliani's New York.
>Hizzoner boasted of moving people from welfare to workfare, where thousands
>of people earned less than two dollars per hour replacing an equivalent
>number of parks department employees whose positions were downsized. During
>this period, 13,000 welfare-dependent City University students were FORCED
>TO LEAVE COLLEGE and enter the menial workfare force, where less than six
>percent of participants transition to real employment paying minimum wage or
>more. In this we see Giuliani's cruel rewarding of riches and punishing
>poverty, as if wealth and poverty were not inherently rewarding and
>punishing conditions.
>
>
>
>Giuliani's deceitful, mean-spirited behavior was evident on the day after
>Thanksgiving, 1999. The NY Daily News reported Giuliani, sporting a white
>chef's apron, preparing food for the holiday with volunteers at a Manhattan
>charity kitchen. On the same page with this public relations charade piece
>was an article titled "The mayor treats us like prey, say needy." This
>reported the Giuliani-ordered arrests of homeless people whose only crime
>was sleeping on the streets because they had nowhere else to go. On the day
>before Thanksgiving, 34 were arrested and 13 were issued summonses.
>
>
>
>Mega-real estate developer Donald Trump described Giuliani as "maybe the
>best [mayor] ever," obviously meaning the most profitable for him. However,
>Ralph Nader called him "the oligarch's mayor." Giuliani took credit for a
>high-end real estate boom while presiding over double-digit rises in
>homelessness, cutting public spending on affordable housing by nearly half
>and housing for the homeless by nearly three quarters.
>
>
>
>Today, "America's mayor" lives and breathes a 9/11 mantra. Forget the
>pathetic, cruel, even sadistic details of his tenure in Gracie Mansion; he
>is now portrayed as an iconic American hero - the "leader" we needed when
>George W. Bush was otherwise occupied on September 11, 2001.
>
>
>
>But was Giuliani really a hero on that infamous day of horror?
>
>
>
>Just like Bush, Giuliani's failing political career was rescued by the
>terrorists that attacked New York and Washington on 9/11. Some believe
>these terrorists had help from within the US government, and even that some
>within the government itself were the terrorists. As any detective knows,
>to find criminals, one must consider who benefited from the crime.
>
>
>
>It is strange if not truly sinister that Giuliani stated to Peter Jennings
>in an interview that on 9/11 he had prior knowledge of the World Trade
>Center building collapses, but subsequently he denied and continues to deny
>that he said this. Here Giuliani is caught in a direct lie - you can hear
>it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hNmf76GUCw More documentation can be
>found at: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_giuliani.html
>
>
>
>On 9/11 New York was left without an emergency command center because
>Giuliani, against the advice of both the police and fire departments,
>decided to locate the center conveniently near City Hall in World Trade
>Center building 7, along with tanks containing tens of thousands of gallons
>of fuel, in direct violation of New York City fire laws. This was despite a
>1993 bombing of the WTC, proving it to be the number one terrorism target.
>It was this decision that put him on the street on 9/11 instead of inside a
>command center coordinating operations. Ironically, this decision also put
>him in front of hundreds of press cameras, sparking his image transformation
>into a "hero."
>
>
>
>While our "hero" was posing for the cameras, however, there was no
>communication possible between the police department and the fire
>department, whose REAL heroes were rushing to their deaths inside the
>towers. And there was likewise no communication between the police officers
>who identified an open stairway for escape from above the fire zone and the
>911 phone operators who were telling soon-to-be-dead office workers to stay
>put and wait for the firefighters. Giuliani had been aware of the
>inadequacy of the emergency services' communications equipment for many
>years, but did absolutely nothing about it. This criminal negligence also
>doomed hundreds of firefighters and police that were unable to hear the
>orders to evacuate the north tower.
>
>
>
>Whatever possibility existed for communication between the police and fire
>departments, whose radios operated on different frequencies, evaporated when
>Giuliani visited a makeshift fire/police command center that had formed in
>his absence. There he ORDERED THE POLICE BRASS TO LEAVE and accompany him
>uptown. This "heroic leadership" effectively put the fire department and
>police department commanders in different physical locations with no
>communication possible between them.
>
>
>
>Present Police Commissioner Ray Kelly stated that he doesn't have any idea
>who was in charge on 9/11 because Bernie Kerik and all the top chiefs in the
>police department basically acted as bodyguards to Giuliani and no one was
>running the shop.
>
>
>
>A month after the September 11 attacks, firefighters took to the streets to
>protest Giuliani's decision to limit the number of uniformed firefighters
>and police officers sifting through the rubble for remains, and the "scoop
>and dump" haste of the cleanup. They accused the administration of rushing
>the cleanup at the cost of trashing the remains of victims. [And, it is
>pointed out by 9/11 conspiracy theorists, to dispose of all incriminating
>evidence as quickly as possible. The steel, some claim bearing evidence of
>demolition explosives, was shipped to China and quickly melted down.] At
>the firefighters' demonstration Giuliani, in signature style, ordered Peter
>Gorman, head of the Uniformed Fire Officers Association, and Kevin
>Gallagher, head of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, to be ARRESTED at
>the protest site! A spokesperson for Gallagher told the media "The mayor
>fails to realize that New York City is not a dictatorship." Gorman went a
>step further, joining hordes of New Yorkers calling the mayor a "fascist" -
>which brings us back to the fascistic conduct issue that dogged Giuliani
>throughout his mayoral tenure.
>
>
>
>Giuliani often answers the charge by accusing his detractors of ethnic
>bias - as if "fascist" were somehow an ethnic slur against
>Italian-Americans. His charge itself, however, reeks of
>anti-Italian-American ethnic bias, ignoring the role New York's
>Italian-American community has played in local politics - giving the city,
>for example, its most revered mayor, Fiorello LaGuardia. The fascist
>charges do not stem from Giuliani's ethnicity, they stem from his own
>actions and statements, such as:
>
>
>
>" - FREEDOM IS NOT A CONCEPT IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN DO ANYTHING
>
>THEY WANT, BE ANYTHING THEY CAN BE. FREEDOM IS ABOUT AUTHORITY.
>
>FREEDOM IS ABOUT THE WILLINGNESS OF EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING TO
>
>CEDE TO LAWFUL AUTHORITY A GREAT DEAL OF DISCRETION ABOUT WHAT
>
>YOU DO AND HOW YOU DO IT."
>
>- Mayor Giuliani, quoted in the New York Times, March 17, 1994.
>
>
>
>Though sworn to uphold our Constitution, by the end of 2002 the courts had
>found Giuliani in violation of the First Amendment TWENTY-SEVEN TIMES.
>Mayor David Dinkins, his predecessor in office, bravely stated that Giuliani
>is " - a bully, mean-spirited, and he rules through fear and intimidation."
>
>
>
>At reason.com/blog, one finds a statement by David Weigel regarding
>Giuliani:
>
>
>
>"This is the cornerstone of his philosophy: For liberty to thrive, you need
>to dramatically empower the state and the legal system. Criminals and
>would-be criminals should have less freedom in order for the rest of us to
>enjoy our freedoms. This is the framework he's applied to basically every
>issue - "
>
>
>
>Who, we must ask, are the "would-be criminals?" Obviously ALL OF US, as at
>one time or another everyone knowingly or unknowingly commits a violation
>such as jaywalking, speeding, or drinking in public. So under Giuliani's
>rule we ALL have less freedom, and the privileged "rest of us" are those
>that rule over us, the "dramatically empowered" state. Does this sound like
>something out of Mein Kampf?
>
>
>
>And you thought that George W. Bush was a dangerous tyrant?
>
>
>
>When the lessons of history are ignored, history repeats.
>
>
>
>Compare the following to the above Giuliani "Freedom" quote:
>
>"State authority must provide for peace and order, and peace and order in
>turn must conversely make possible the existence of state authority. Within
>these two poles all life must now revolve...Ideas of 'freedom,' mostly of a
>misunderstood nature, inject themselves into the state conceptions of these
>circles." - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf.
>
>
>
>And an old but relevant news story:
>
>Berlin, Monday, Aug. 20, 1934 -- Eighty-nine and nine-tenths percent of the
>German voters endorsed in yesterday's plebiscite Chancellor Hitler's
>assumption of greater power than has ever been possessed by any other ruler
>in modern times. Nearly 10 per cent indicated their disapproval. The
>result was expected.
>
>
>
>RECOMMENDED READING:
>
>
>
>Giuliani: Nasty Man - by Edward I. Koch, former NYC mayor.
>
>
>
>Giuliani Time (DVD) - with David Dinkins, Ron Kuby, Wayne Barrett, Rudolph
>W. Giuliani, Kevin Keating.
>
>
>
>Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11 - by Wayne
>Barrett and Dan Collins.
>
>
>
>"Rudy Giuliani: Urban Legend" can be viewed at
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Erudy%2Durbanlegend%2Ecom%2F
>


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Freedom Fighter
2008-11-17 16:56:16 EST
"Werner" <whetzner@mac.com> wrote in message
news:dff4ec2d-8842-4cea-9504-5b03898db512@k24g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 16, 6:36 pm, "Freedom Fighter" <libe...@once.net> wrote:
> It is highly unlikely that New Yorkers would elect ANY Republican as their
> governor, given the economic crisis and other failures and crimes of this
> party. ...

> Actually, if memory serves, NYC was an economic basket case before he
was elected mayor. Now that I think of it, most cities are
traditionally Democrat and most of them have been economic basket
cases for a long time.

------
You need to get your facts straight.

NYC's greatest financial woes came in the late 1970s and perhaps early 80s,
BEFORE this tyrant became mayor. The recovery preceded Giuliani's autocratic
reign, as did the start of the reduction in street crime. White-collar crime
on and off Wall Street continued, and under Republicans like Giuliani it
flourished - with the result being the crisis we face today.

As far as "crime fighter" Tyrant Giuliani goes, his firm, Giuliani Partners,
seeks out and provides legal counseling to white-collar criminals facing the
trouble they so greatly deserve. So much for hypocrite Giuliani being
anti-crime - he's making a fortune by DEFENDING rich criminals!



Freedom Fighter
2008-11-17 17:18:13 EST
<*n@real.com> wrote in message
news:tbp2i4l7kdl695vfevaojsdaefgo6vkjup@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:36:13 GMT, "Freedom Fighter"
> <liberty@once.net> wrote:
>
> I have no idea why you're being so nice to
> the Ghoul and pulling your punches by leaving
> out many of the other totally disgusting things
> that he did, like to his wife and such, the
> appointment of the criminal Harding, and
> the much more revealing details about him
> and the story of Kerik.

I could produce a book-length piece, but who would read it on Usenet?
As far as his "family values" go, the relevant incidents have already been
well publicized. I also consider those things private matters that, unlike
his blatant racism and favoritism, do not endanger people unrelated to him..
Feel free to fill me and everyone else here in on the details of the Harding
and Kerik matters. I am least familiar with Harding.

> I can only guess that you wanted to spare
> the readers the possibility of retching and
> heaving.

Some antisocials that aspire to dictatorship themselves, but lack the skills
to realize their dream, are devoted fans of the likes of Giuliani, Bush,
Cheney, and even such past notables as Hitler. These only retch and heave at
the thought of Obama's presidency.

> Be that as it may, some how I don't think
> there's going to be the racist fervor afoot
> by the time he gets to run, that there was
> when he ran for mayor. Racists are besides
> themselves in abject agony right now that
> a blackman has won the Presidency. Soon
> that agony will subside and many will come
> peacefully to terms with the new reality. Those
> who will not, will be moved to attempt things
> they should not, and be caught.

Hopefully.
I for one do not trust all of those charged with Obama's security.
JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King Jr., Senator Paul Wellstone - and these are
just the tip of the iceberg.

> After all they're
> not the best planners, they depend more on
> numbers than brains. It's much more likely that
> he will be unable to win the nomination. Unless,
> there's nobody else willing to run. So that makes
> for a really disengaging campaign, much like
> what we saw in the national one, where he
> was stripped of his "America's Mayor" halo,
> because that's all he had to offer.

The Republicans consider him an icon of sorts - I'm sure you saw him give
the address at their convention. (I didn't - nauseated, I turned it off). I
would not rule him out - I anticipate he will be nominated for governor, and
we must be ready to fight to make the truth about him known all over the
state. Upstaters tend to be KKKon$ervative, and many would vote for him, if
anything BECAUSE of his past evils.

> This disgusting little man should stay in the
> depths of the dust bin of history if he knows
> what's good for him.
>
> Obwon

RIGHT ON!



O*@real.com
2008-11-17 18:58:05 EST
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:18:13 GMT, "Freedom Fighter"
<*y@once.net> wrote:

><Obwon@real.com> wrote in message
>news:tbp2i4l7kdl695vfevaojsdaefgo6vkjup@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:36:13 GMT, "Freedom Fighter"
>> <liberty@once.net> wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea why you're being so nice to
>> the Ghoul and pulling your punches by leaving
>> out many of the other totally disgusting things
>> that he did, like to his wife and such, the
>> appointment of the criminal Harding, and
>> the much more revealing details about him
>> and the story of Kerik.
>
>I could produce a book-length piece, but who would read it on Usenet?
>As far as his "family values" go, the relevant incidents have already been
>well publicized. I also consider those things private matters that, unlike
>his blatant racism and favoritism, do not endanger people unrelated to him..
>Feel free to fill me and everyone else here in on the details of the Harding
>and Kerik matters. I am least familiar with Harding.
>
>> I can only guess that you wanted to spare
>> the readers the possibility of retching and
>> heaving.
>
>Some antisocials that aspire to dictatorship themselves, but lack the skills
>to realize their dream, are devoted fans of the likes of Giuliani, Bush,
>Cheney, and even such past notables as Hitler. These only retch and heave at
>the thought of Obama's presidency.
>
>> Be that as it may, some how I don't think
>> there's going to be the racist fervor afoot
>> by the time he gets to run, that there was
>> when he ran for mayor. Racists are besides
>> themselves in abject agony right now that
>> a blackman has won the Presidency. Soon
>> that agony will subside and many will come
>> peacefully to terms with the new reality. Those
>> who will not, will be moved to attempt things
>> they should not, and be caught.
>
>Hopefully.
>I for one do not trust all of those charged with Obama's security.
>JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King Jr., Senator Paul Wellstone - and these are
>just the tip of the iceberg.
>
>> After all they're
>> not the best planners, they depend more on
>> numbers than brains. It's much more likely that
>> he will be unable to win the nomination. Unless,
>> there's nobody else willing to run. So that makes
>> for a really disengaging campaign, much like
>> what we saw in the national one, where he
>> was stripped of his "America's Mayor" halo,
>> because that's all he had to offer.
>
>The Republicans consider him an icon of sorts - I'm sure you saw him give
>the address at their convention. (I didn't - nauseated, I turned it off). I
>would not rule him out - I anticipate he will be nominated for governor, and
>we must be ready to fight to make the truth about him known all over the
>state. Upstaters tend to be KKKon$ervative, and many would vote for him, if
>anything BECAUSE of his past evils.
>
>> This disgusting little man should stay in the
>> depths of the dust bin of history if he knows
>> what's good for him.
>>
>> Obwon
>
>RIGHT ON!
>
Upstaters won't hate him for his hypocracy,
but they will hate him because he's such
a "city slicker", a lawyer and they need to
be reminded of those "liberal" views he
adopted in the effort to attain the presidency.
Hahaha... that should shake them.

Obwon


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Slim
2008-11-17 20:10:29 EST
On 2008-11-16 18:48:06 -0500, Werner <whetzner@mac.com> said:

> On Nov 16, 6:36 pm, "Freedom Fighter" <libe...@once.net> wrote:
>> It is highly unlikely that New Yorkers would elect ANY Republican as thei
> r
>> governor, given the economic crisis and other failures and crimes of this
>> party. ...
>
>
> Actually, if memory serves, NYC was an economic basket case before he
> was elected mayor. Now that I think of it, most cities are
> traditionally Democrat and most of them have been economic basket
> cases for a long time.

Ghouliani turned NYC into a financial toilet.

Bloomie did what few could do, clean up the Ghoulianis financial mess.

--
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis

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