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NewsToBeRead
2009-09-05 05:34:52 EST

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23424.htm

CIA Atrocities Revealed to a National Shrug

We Have met The Nazis, And They Are Us

By Ted Rall

September 04, 2009 "Information Clearing House" -- NEW YORK--Nazis.
Americans are Nazis. We are Nazis.

Godwin's Law be damned--it's impossible to read the newly-released CIA
report on the torture of Muslim prisoners without thinking of the Third
Reich.

Sadism exists in every culture. A century ago, for example, Western
adventurers who visited Tibet reported that the authorities in Lhasa, that
supposed capital of pacifism, publicly gouged out criminals' eyes and yanked
out their tongues. But Nazi atrocities were stylistically distinct from,
say, the Turkish genocide of the Armenians or the Rwandan massacres of the
early 1990s. German war crimes were characterized by methodical precision,
the application of "rational" technology to increase efficiency, the veneer
of legality and the perversion of medical science.

Nazi crimes were also marked by public indifference, which amounted to tacit
support. Here and now, only 25 percent of Americans told the latest Pew
Research poll that they believe torture is always wrong.

"The CIA's secret interrogation program operated under strict rules, and the
rules were dictated from Washington with the painstaking, eye-glazing detail
beloved by any bureaucracy," observed The New York Times. We have much in
common with the Germans.

"In July 2002," the declassified report reveals, a CIA officer "reportedly
used a 'pressure point' technique: with both of his hands on the detainee's
neck, [he] manipulated his fingers to restrict the detainee's carotid
artery." Another agent "watched his eyes to the point that the detainee
would nod and start to pass out; then.shook the detainee to wake him. This
process was repeated for a total of three applications on the detainee."
The CIA's rinse-lather-repeat approach to torture is reminiscent of Dr.
Sigmund Rascher's experiments at Dachau and a parallel project conducted by
the Japanese Imperial Army's infamous Unit 731 in occupied Manchuria in
1942-43. Rascher, who was tried for war crimes after World War II, froze or
lashed detainees nearly to death, then revived them over and over. German
and Japanese doctors developed detailed protocols governing the severity of
exposure to which inmates could be subjected--protocols seized by U.S.
occupation forces and turned over to the OSS, predecessor of the CIA.

So it was in the CIA's prisons at Guant\ufffdnamo, Bagram, Diego Garcia, eastern
Europe, Thailand and elsewhere.

(Or, to be more accurate, so it is. Bush publicly banned torture in 2006,
but we know it was still going on as of 2007. Obama supposedly banned it
again earlier this year, but then his CIA director Leon Panetta told
Congress the agency reserves the right to keep doing it. Until the entire
secret prison network is dismantled and every single prisoner released, it
would be absurd to assume that torture is not continuing.)

Among the verbal treasures in the CIA papers is the "Water Dousing" section
of the "Guidelines on Medical and Psychological Support to Detainee
Rendition, Interrogation and Detention," which "allow for water to be
applied using either a hose connected to tap water, or a bottle or similar
container as the water source." Ah, the glorious war on terror. Detainees
may be soaked in water as cold as 41 degrees Fahrenheit for as long as 20
minutes--no longer, no colder.

For the record, the CIA's medical expertise is about as reliable as its
legal and moral sense. Forty-one degrees is bracingly cold; 41 was the
temperature of the Hudson River was when US Airways Flight 1549 crashed into
it earlier this year. (Remember the ice floes?) "Generally, a person can
survive in 41-degree water for 10, 15 or 20 minutes," Dr. Christopher
McStay, an emergency room physician at New York City's Bellevue Hospital
told Scientific American magazine.

Like its Gestapo and SS antecedents, the CIA is highly bureaucratic. CIA
employees were informed that "Advance Headquarters approval is required to
use any physical pressures [against prisoners]." And those permissions came
from the very top of the chain of command: the White House, which ordered
the Office of Legal Counsel and other legal branches of the federal
government to draft "CYA" memoranda. The memos, wrote Joshua L. Dratel in
his introduction to "The Torture Papers: The Road to Abu Ghraib," a
compilation of memos authorizing torture of Muslim detainees reflect "a
wholly result-oriented system in which policy makers start with an objective
and work backward."

Also reminiscent of Nazism is the utter absence of firewalls that has come
to characterize the behavior of top government officials. Totalitarian
regimes like Nazi Germany corrupt the judiciary by using the courts to carry
out political policy. Beginning under Bush and now under Obama, judicial
independence has been eradicated.

On August 28th The New York Times reported: "In July, Leon E. Panetta, the
CIA director, tried to head off the investigation [of the CIA's torture
program], administration officials said. He sent the CIA's top lawyer,
Stephen W. Preston, to [the Department of] Justice to persuade aides to
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to abandon any plans for an inquiry."
There's a term for this: Obstruction of Justice. You're not supposed to try
to influence the outcome of an investigation. It was count six of the
impeachment proceedings against President Nixon.

To Holder's credit, he has appointed a special prosecutor. To his discredit,
the focus of the investigation is narrow: he will only go after officials
who went beyond the Bush Administration's over-the-top torture directives
(which allow, as seen above, freezing people to death). He does not plan to
go after the worst criminals, who are the Bush Administration lawyers and
officials, including Bush and Cheney themselves, who ordered the war
crimes--much less those like Obama who are currently covering them up.

He should change his mind. While he's at it, he should throw Leon Panetta in
jail.

Holder's brief currently involves just 20 cases, which include detainees who
were murdered by the CIA. But even those will be tough to prosecute, reports
The New York Times: "Evidence, witnesses and even the bodies of the victims
of alleged abuses have not been found in all cases."

Because, you see, the bodies were burned and dumped.
They--the CIA--are Nazis for committing the crimes.

And we are Nazis for not giving a damn. Only a third of Americans told the
April 27th CBS News/New York Times poll that there ought to be an
investigation of Bush-era war crimes--and they don't care enough to march in
the streets, much less break a few windows. So few of my columns on torture
have been reprinted by American newspapers or websites that I seriously
contemplated not bothering to write this one.

We have met the Nazis, and they are us.

Ted Rall, President of the Association of American Editorial Cartoonists, is
author of the books "To Afghanistan and Back" and "Silk Road to Ruin." Visit
his website www.tedrall.com





Topaz
2009-09-05 06:11:03 EST

General Leon Degrelle was the leader of the Belgian contingent of the
Waffen SS. He was in 75 hand-to-hand combat actions against the
Marxists. This is what he wrote:

"German racialism has been deliberately distorted. It never was
"anti-other race"... National Socialist racialism was not against the
other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and
improving its race and wished that all other races did the same for
themselves. It was demonstrated when the Waffen
SS enlarged its ranks to include 60,000 Islamic SS troops.
The Waffen SS respected their way of life, their customs and their
religious beliefs. Each Islamic SS battalion had an iman; each company
had a mullah. It was our common wish that their qualities found their
highest expression... I was present when each of my Islamic comrades
received a personal gift from Hitler during the new year. It was a
pendant with a small Koran. He was honouring them with what was the
most important aspect of their lives and their history."

http://www.ihr.org/ www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/

http://www.natvan.com http://www.nsm88.org

http://heretical.com/ http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/

Smith
2009-09-05 07:45:18 EST
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23424.htm
>
> CIA Atrocities Revealed to a National Shrug
>
> We Have met The Nazis, And They Are Us
>
Don't forget Obamana and his desire to set up a national police force.



Harry
2009-09-05 12:15:23 EST
On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 06:45:18 -0500, Smith <anon@anon.org> wrote:

>> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23424.htm
>>
>> CIA Atrocities Revealed to a National Shrug
>>
>> We Have met The Nazis, And They Are Us
>>
> Don't forget Obamana and his desire to set up a national police force.
>
The red shirts instead of the brown shirts. Blood rather than shit.




StraightDrive
2009-09-10 03:45:29 EST

"Smith" <anon@anon.org> wrote in message
news:h7tj02$pbj$1@news.mixmin.net...
>> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23424.htm
>>
>> CIA Atrocities Revealed to a National Shrug
>>
>> We Have met The Nazis, And They Are Us
>>
> Don't forget Obamana and his desire to set up a national police force.
>
>



Can you fucking forked tongued Americans post a single line of comment
WITHOUT "SPIN" ??

What the fuck has Obama got to do with CIA Atrocities ??




StraightDrive
2009-09-10 03:46:01 EST

"Harry" <harry@no.hope> wrote in message
news:6FV0QEWU40062.0106828704@reece.net.au...
> On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 06:45:18 -0500, Smith <anon@anon.org> wrote:
>
>>> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23424.htm
>>>
>>> CIA Atrocities Revealed to a National Shrug
>>>
>>> We Have met The Nazis, And They Are Us
>>>
>> Don't forget Obamana and his desire to set up a national police force.
>>
> The red shirts instead of the brown shirts. Blood rather than shit.
>
>
>



Can't stand a black president, yeah ??




SquareDrive
2009-09-10 03:57:46 EST
StraightDrive wrote:
> "Smith" <anon@anon.org> wrote in message
> news:h7tj02$pbj$1@news.mixmin.net...
>>> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23424.htm
>>>
>>> CIA Atrocities Revealed to a National Shrug
>>>
>>> We Have met The Nazis, And They Are Us
>>>
>> Don't forget Obamana and his desire to set up a national police force.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Can you fucking forked tongued Americans post a single line of comment
> WITHOUT "SPIN" ??
>
> What the fuck has Obama got to do with CIA Atrocities ??
>
>
>

You posted this to a cricket newsgroup? My irony meter just fell off
the wall.

Retard!


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