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I&R ~ GB
2010-01-11 09:52:07 EST
Protest tactic for the coming UK election

We show how the politically alienated and determined non-voters can use
the general election to push for meaningful reform.

How can we organise real empowerment of citizens? Are there ways to
enable the people and electorate to “set the points” of public policy in
vital areas such as war and peace, environment, health and education and
finance? Can we start to decide on real public problems and issues,
going far beyond electing politicians in the forlorn hope that they may
do (at least some of) what we want? We answer all of these questions
with a big “Yes: We need radical, citizen-led democracy”.

Read the full article at
http://www.iniref.org/citizen-led.pdf

UK general election protest campaign call http://www.iniref.org/carta.htm

Soupdragon
2010-01-11 09:59:03 EST
I&R ~ GB <infoTAKE@OUTiniref.org> wrote in news:7r0rvtFddmU1@mid.uni-
berlin.de:

> Protest tactic for the coming UK election

Spoil your vote. Vote for everyone on the list.


> with a big \ufffdYes: We need radical, citizen-led democracy\ufffd.

Read: Mob rule.

Harry Merrick
2010-01-11 12:00:15 EST
soupdragon wrote:
> I&R ~ GB <infoTAKE@OUTiniref.org> wrote in news:7r0rvtFddmU1@mid.uni-
> berlin.de:
>
>> Protest tactic for the coming UK election
>
> Spoil your vote. Vote for everyone on the list.
>
>
>> with a big "Yes: We need radical, citizen-led democracy".
>
> Read: Mob rule.

Oh BIG deal!! So then you get Labour back!!? - Do you "really" want that?

--
Harry Merrick.

Soupdragon
2010-01-11 14:28:58 EST
"Harry Merrick" <homestud@hotmail.com> wrote in news:7r13ojFvt0U1
@mid.individual.net:

> soupdragon wrote:
>> I&R ~ GB <infoTAKE@OUTiniref.org> wrote in news:7r0rvtFddmU1@mid.uni-
>> berlin.de:
>>
>>> Protest tactic for the coming UK election
>>
>> Spoil your vote. Vote for everyone on the list.
>>
>>
>>> with a big "Yes: We need radical, citizen-led democracy".
>>
>> Read: Mob rule.
>
> Oh BIG deal!! So then you get Labour back!!? - Do you "really" want that?
>

How do you figure that out, then? Besides, what's the other option? No
better!!

I&R ~ GB
2010-01-12 11:29:36 EST
soupdragon wrote:
> I&R ~ GB <infoTAKE@OUTiniref.org> wrote in news:7r0rvtFddmU1@mid.uni-
> berlin.de:
>
>> Protest tactic for the coming UK election
>
> Spoil your vote. Vote for everyone on the list.
>
>
>> with a big “Yes: We need radical, citizen-led democracy”.
>
> Read: Mob rule.

Some questions about this post have arrived by another route. For
Soupdragon's edification we repeat our reply below.

Comments received were along the lines of "This is rubbish because we
are against supporting the political parties and "the system" by voting
in their election".

I&R ~GB replied:


"The main idea presented in the linked pdf paper
http://www.iniref.org/citizen-led.pdf is as follows:

"Tell candidates who refuse to sign and refuse to support the direct
democracy campaign that as a result they will NOT receive your vote.
If there are no suitable candidates standing in your constituency then
use your vote to protest!

Do NOT vote for any candidate. Write on your ballot slip, REFERENDUM ON
DEMAND! and DIRECT DEMOCRACY NOW! Drop your ballot slip into the box. If
enough people do this word will get around, other people will join in
and perhaps some politicians will be persuaded to change their ways ;-)."

Our campaign is entirely independent and we do not endorse any political
party. In the section which you objected to we simply accept the reality
that some people are going to vote for a candidate. We try to persuade
those people to support our cause. The recommendation "register to vote"
is necessary for the tactic of "spoiling" your ballot: effectively
abstaining and sending a demand for reform at the same time. This is a
way to put pressure on governments because they are very worried about
falling voter turnout.

This is only one campaign tactic -- we have other extra-parliamentary
ideas too!"

I&R ~ GB
http://www.iniref.org/

Soupdragon
2010-01-12 12:13:09 EST
I&R ~ GB <infoTAKE@OUTiniref.org> wrote in news:7r3m2kFc74U1@mid.uni-
berlin.de:

> soupdragon wrote:
>> I&R ~ GB <infoTAKE@OUTiniref.org> wrote in news:7r0rvtFddmU1@mid.uni-
>> berlin.de:
>>
>>> Protest tactic for the coming UK election
>>
>> Spoil your vote. Vote for everyone on the list.
>>
>>
>>> with a big \ufffdYes: We need radical, citizen-led democracy\ufffd.
>>
>> Read: Mob rule.
>
> Some questions about this post have arrived by another route. For
> Soupdragon's edification we repeat our reply below.
> Do NOT vote for any candidate. Write on your ballot slip, REFERENDUM
ON
> DEMAND! and DIRECT DEMOCRACY NOW! Drop your ballot slip into the box.
If
> enough people do this word will get around, other people will join in
> and perhaps some politicians will be persuaded to change their ways
;-)."

No it won't. It will go in the bucket marked 'spoiled papers' and
ignored. Last election in Scotland, 20% of the votes were 'spoiled'.
They were simply ignored and only the valid votes counted.



Harry Merrick
2010-01-12 12:39:53 EST
soupdragon wrote:
> "Harry Merrick" <homestud@hotmail.com> wrote in news:7r13ojFvt0U1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> soupdragon wrote:
>>> I&R ~ GB <infoTAKE@OUTiniref.org> wrote in
>>> news:7r0rvtFddmU1@mid.uni- berlin.de:
>>>
>>>> Protest tactic for the coming UK election
>>>
>>> Spoil your vote. Vote for everyone on the list.
>>>
>>>
>>>> with a big "Yes: We need radical, citizen-led democracy".
>>>
>>> Read: Mob rule.
>>
>> Oh BIG deal!! So then you get Labour back!!? - Do you "really" want
>> that?
>>
>
> How do you figure that out, then? Besides, what's the other option? No
> better!!

Oh dear! I had thought that it was obvious actually. If you spoil your
vote, or do not vote, or vote tactically for a party you don't like for some
reason, THEN you risk the party that is in power that you dislike, for me
Labour, getting back in by default! You can rest assured that the Labour
core voters, all working class and also most migrants, WILL vote Labour. If
you don't vote for the next biggest party, then almost certainly, Labour
will get back in. A total disaster, IMO. If you vote BNP, for arguments
sake, then you are again wasting your vote. Why? Because the BNP are such a
small party they have little hope of getting anywhere in our elections. You
can vote LibDem, but there again, the same argument applies. The
Conservatives, whether you like them or hate them, ARE the only alternative.
Actually, I disagree with you when you say they are no better! They are a
whole lot better than Labour, and have many good and new ideas to carry
through, including returning power to the people which Labour and Socialism
has removed from us. No matter what party gets in, and no matter if there
was a revolution (!), the hard choices will still have to be made regarding
getting the country out of the Socialist mess that it is in. That does mean
hard times for all, and unemployment, and probably more taxes. So, don't be
a fool, vote Conservative! :-))

Oh, and before you get on your high horse, I live in Northern Ireland and
cannot vote Conservative per se, otherwise I would do so.

--
Harry Merrick.


I&R ~ GB
2010-01-12 16:11:19 EST
soupdragon wrote:
> I&R ~ GB <infoTAKE@OUTiniref.org> wrote in news:7r3m2kFc74U1@mid.uni-
> berlin.de:
>
>> soupdragon wrote:
>>> I&R ~ GB <infoTAKE@OUTiniref.org> wrote in news:7r0rvtFddmU1@mid.uni-
>>> berlin.de:
>>>
>>>> Protest tactic for the coming UK election
>>> Spoil your vote. Vote for everyone on the list.
>>>
>>>
>>>> with a big “Yes: We need radical, citizen-led democracy”.
>>> Read: Mob rule.
>> Some questions about this post have arrived by another route. For
>> Soupdragon's edification we repeat our reply below.
>> Do NOT vote for any candidate. Write on your ballot slip, REFERENDUM
> ON
>> DEMAND! and DIRECT DEMOCRACY NOW! Drop your ballot slip into the box.
> If
>> enough people do this word will get around, other people will join in
>> and perhaps some politicians will be persuaded to change their ways
> ;-)."
>
> No it won't. It will go in the bucket marked 'spoiled papers' and
> ignored. Last election in Scotland, 20% of the votes were 'spoiled'.
> They were simply ignored and only the valid votes counted.
>
>
Never heard of T W I T T E R (and other modern means of mass
communication and action) ??

I&R ~ GB
http://www.iniref.org/latest.html

Soupdragon
2010-01-13 13:03:22 EST
I&R ~ GB <infoTAKE@OUTiniref.org> wrote in news:7r46isFa05U1@mid.uni-
berlin.de:

> soupdragon wrote:
>> I&R ~ GB <infoTAKE@OUTiniref.org> wrote in news:7r3m2kFc74U1@mid.uni-
>> berlin.de:
>>
>>> soupdragon wrote:
>>>> I&R ~ GB <infoTAKE@OUTiniref.org> wrote in news:7r0rvtFddmU1
@mid.uni-
>>>> berlin.de:
>>>>
>>>>> Protest tactic for the coming UK election
>>>> Spoil your vote. Vote for everyone on the list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> with a big \ufffdYes: We need radical, citizen-led democracy\ufffd.
>>>> Read: Mob rule.
>>> Some questions about this post have arrived by another route. For
>>> Soupdragon's edification we repeat our reply below.
>>> Do NOT vote for any candidate. Write on your ballot slip, REFERENDUM
>> ON
>>> DEMAND! and DIRECT DEMOCRACY NOW! Drop your ballot slip into the
box.
>> If
>>> enough people do this word will get around, other people will join
in
>>> and perhaps some politicians will be persuaded to change their ways
>> ;-)."
>>
>> No it won't. It will go in the bucket marked 'spoiled papers' and
>> ignored. Last election in Scotland, 20% of the votes were 'spoiled'.
>> They were simply ignored and only the valid votes counted.
>>
>>
> Never heard of T W I T T E R (and other modern means of mass
> communication and action) ??

And how is Twitter going to change UK electoral law?

I&R ~ GB
2010-01-14 05:39:04 EST
soupdragon wrote:
> I&R ~ GB <infoTAKE@OUTiniref.org> wrote:
>>>>>> with a big “Yes: We need radical, citizen-led democracy”.
>>>>> Read: Mob rule.
>>>> Some questions about this post have arrived by another route. For
>>>> Soupdragon's edification we repeat our reply below.
>>>> Do NOT vote for any candidate. Write on your ballot slip, REFERENDUM
>>> ON
>>>> DEMAND! and DIRECT DEMOCRACY NOW! Drop your ballot slip into the
> box.
>>> If
>>>> enough people do this word will get around, other people will join
> in
>>>> and perhaps some politicians will be persuaded to change their ways
>>> ;-)."
>>>
>>> No it won't. It will go in the bucket marked 'spoiled papers' and
>>> ignored. Last election in Scotland, 20% of the votes were 'spoiled'.
>>> They were simply ignored and only the valid votes counted.
>>>
>>>
>> Never heard of T W I T T E R (and other modern means of mass
>> communication and action) ??
>
> And how is Twitter going to change UK electoral law?

Using available tools we must build a broadly based campaign.

At I&R ~ GB we campaign for democratic procedures such as citizens'
initiative, issue-ballot, veto-referendum, and recall in Great Britain
and Northern Ireland. To achieve reform like this will need a successful
country-wide campaign which brings strong public pressure for change. We
need to inform people from different backgrounds about how the citizens'
law-proposal works in practice, taking examples from other countries,
and persuade many people to become active supporters.
From: http://www.iniref.org/about.html

Plan, for discussion http://www.iniref.org/plan2006.pdf

Print and distribute our pamphlet to download from
http://www.iniref.org/campaign.html

Talk to REAL people about this.
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