"..At the same time, CBS had an important story here. They way oversold it. If they had gone to Lieutenant Colonel Jerry Killian's secretary to begin with, remember, she came forth and said, these documents didn't look like document she had typed, but they had the exact same content as she recalled things happening in real time back in the early 1970's.
AMY GOODMAN: Talk about the significance of that. Saying that she -- while she didn't think she had typed these they were what Killian believed, and what was that?
STEVE RENDALL: Well, that he was pressured to sugar coat -- that was his term, sugar coat George Bush's record in the Air National Guard. They had several other -- they did have other sources, to be fair to the CBS story, they had other sources quoted in the story, that did not reflect well on George Bush's National Guard record. But I think that the most important thing here is to look at the big media picture and see how the relatively -- I think -- let me go back to one point, and that is whether or not Andrew Heyward and Dan Rather should have been disciplined further. I think that that's -- that's a question that's worth asking. And is there some scapegoating here of the relatively lower level employees? One of the employees that lost their job was a vice president of CBS news, Betsy West, and another was the executive producer of "60 Minutes Wednesday." So, these were not low-level employees.
But I think the important thing here to do is to step back and look at the discipline that was administered here at CBS, compared to some other comparable stories. I mean, certainly a much more important story was the way that the U.S. media sold the weapons of mass destruction story, particularly the New York Times and particularly at the New York Times' Judith Miller. The Times came forth, ran an editor's note that said that they had been insufficiently skeptical, they hadn't sufficiently scrutinized the claims made by the administration about weapons of mass destruction. However, in that editor's note, nobody was named, nobody was disciplined. This was a much more important story. Now, what's the difference between these two stories? Well, the CBS story was critical of the government. For one, Judith Miller's journalistic transgressions favored the government's story.
Also another point here to bear in mind, is that the CBS story fits the media script. We hear over and over again in the media echo chamber that our media is liberal. Therefore, even though this commission found that there was no evidence of liberal bias, it fit the perception that the media's constantly haranguing us with that the media's liberal, so this fit that script [while the massively more life-costly lies and lapdog 'trust Bush' journalism over the WMD scandal, does not] http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/11/1446231
Theodore Herzl
2005-01-11 20:04:43 EST
i*o@economicdemocracy.org wrote: > "..At the same time, CBS had an important story here. They way oversold > it. If they had gone to Lieutenant Colonel Jerry Killian's secretary to > begin with, remember, she came forth and said, these documents didn't > look like document she had typed, but they had the exact same content > as she recalled things happening in real time back in the early 1970's.
She confirms that the documents are forgeries. Case Closed
She has confirmed that the documents are forgeries which only proves that there was a conspiracy to defraud the American people by elements of the Democratic Party, and that she may have very well been part of that conspiracy.
Now lets get back to the story about Kerry's dishonerable discharge for conduct unbecoming an officer. Please Mr. Kerry, release you military records, that is unless you have something to hide.......
JimK
2005-01-11 21:37:25 EST
On 11 Jan 2005 17:04:43 -0800, "Theodore Herzl" <*i@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >*o@economicdemocracy.org wrote: >> "..At the same time, CBS had an important story here. They way >oversold >> it. If they had gone to Lieutenant Colonel Jerry Killian's secretary >to >> begin with, remember, she came forth and said, these documents didn't >> look like document she had typed, but they had the exact same content >> as she recalled things happening in real time back in the early >1970's. > >She confirms that the documents are forgeries. Case Closed
No, she confirmed that she did not type the memo's, but "the information in those (memos) is correct," said Marian Carr Knox, who later appeared on Wednesday night's edition of 60 Minutes.
On that program, Knox said the questioned memos appeared to be based on real ones that she typed for Killian in 1972 and 1973. She said she had typed memos containing "the same information."
Specifically, Knox said she had typed a memo ordering Bush to report for a required flight physical that he had missed, one expressing Killian's frustration at pressure from superiors to give Bush a better evaluation than he deserved, and one documenting Bush's request to be excused from drills so he could go to Alabama to work on a political campaign.
"It's plain and simple. Bush didn't think he had to go by the rules that others did," Knox said.
>She has confirmed that the documents are forgeries which only proves >that there was a conspiracy to defraud the American people by elements >of the Democratic Party, and that she may have very well been part of >that conspiracy. > >Now lets get back to the story about Kerry's dishonerable discharge for >conduct unbecoming an officer. Please Mr. Kerry, release you military >records, that is unless you have something to hide.......
Steven L.
2005-01-11 21:49:55 EST
JimK wrote:
> On 11 Jan 2005 17:04:43 -0800, "Theodore Herzl" > <AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >>info@economicdemocracy.org wrote: >> >>>"..At the same time, CBS had an important story here. They way >> >>oversold >> >>>it. If they had gone to Lieutenant Colonel Jerry Killian's secretary >> >>to >> >>>begin with, remember, she came forth and said, these documents didn't >>>look like document she had typed, but they had the exact same content >>>as she recalled things happening in real time back in the early >> >>1970's. >> >>She confirms that the documents are forgeries. Case Closed > > > No, she confirmed that she did not type the memo's, > but "the information in those (memos) is correct," said Marian Carr > Knox, who later appeared on Wednesday night's edition of 60 Minutes.
If CBS isn't claiming that anymore, you shouldn't either.
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Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
John Starrett
2005-01-13 22:16:21 EST
Steven L. wrote:
> JimK wrote: >> No, she confirmed that she did not type the memo's, >> but "the information in those (memos) is correct," said Marian Carr >> Knox, who later appeared on Wednesday night's edition of 60 Minutes. > > > If CBS isn't claiming that anymore, you shouldn't either.
If she said it, she said it, and it doesn't matter what CBS has to say.
John Starrett
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2005-01-15 11:21:30 EST
In article <Ru-dnQvVkq7bpHrcRVn-3A@nmt.edu>, John Starrett <jstarret@sdc.org> wrote:
> Steven L. wrote: > > > JimK wrote: > >> No, she confirmed that she did not type the memo's, > >> but "the information in those (memos) is correct," said Marian Carr > >> Knox, who later appeared on Wednesday night's edition of 60 Minutes. > > > > > > If CBS isn't claiming that anymore, you shouldn't either. > > If she said it, she said it, and it doesn't matter what CBS has to say. > > John Starrett
Naw, rich boys with influencial daddies don't go to war.
> <g. you can't fool all of the people , all of the time.