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Let Them Eat Bombs The Doubling Of Child Malnutrition In Iraq Is Baffling By Terry Jones The Guardian -- UK 4-12-5
A report to the UN human rights commission in Geneva has concluded that Iraqi children were actually better off under Saddam Hussein than they are now.
This, of course, comes as a bitter blow for all those of us who, like George Bush and Tony Blair, honestly believe that children thrive best when we drop bombs on them from a great height, destroy their cities and blow up hospitals, schools and power stations.
It now appears that, far from improving the quality of life for Iraqi youngsters, the US-led military assault on Iraq has inexplicably doubled the number of children under five suffering from malnutrition. Under Saddam, about 4% of children under five were going hungry, whereas by the end of last year almost 8% were suffering.
These results are even more disheartening for those of us in the Department of Making Things Better for Children in the Middle East By Military Force, since the previous attempts by Britain and America to improve the lot of Iraqi children also proved disappointing. For example, the policy of applying the most draconian sanctions in living memory totally failed to improve conditions. After they were imposed in 1990, the number of children under five who died increased by a factor of six. By 1995 something like half a million Iraqi children were dead as a result of our efforts to help them.
A year later, Madeleine Albright, then the US ambassador to the United Nations, tried to put a brave face on it. When a TV interviewer remarked that more children had died in Iraq through sanctions than were killed in Hiroshima, Mrs Albright famously replied: "We think the price is worth it."
But clearly George Bush didn't. So he hit on the idea of bombing them instead. And not just bombing, but capturing and torturing their fathers, humiliating their mothers, shooting at them from road blocks -- but none of it seems to do any good. Iraqi children simply refuse to be better nourished, healthier and less inclined to die. It is truly baffling.
And this is why we at the department are appealing to you -- the general public -- for ideas. If you can think of any other military techniques that we have so far failed to apply to the children of Iraq, please let us know as a matter of urgency. We assure you that, under our present leadership, there is no limit to the amount of money we are prepared to invest in a military solution to the problems of Iraqi children.
In the UK there may now be 3.6 million children living below the poverty line, and 12.9 million in the US, with no prospect of either government finding any cash to change that. But surely this is a price worth paying, if it means that George Bush and Tony Blair can make any amount of money available for bombs, shells and bullets to improve the lives of Iraqi kids. You know it makes sense.
-- Terry Jones is a film director, actor and Python. He is the author of Terry Jones's War on the War on Terror
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Stan De SD
2005-04-14 00:11:33 EST
"Dan Clore" <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote in message news:425DB237.2040700@columbia-center.org... > > It now appears that, far from improving the quality of life > for Iraqi youngsters, the US-led military assault on Iraq > has inexplicably doubled the number of children under five > suffering from malnutrition. Under Saddam, about 4% of > children under five were going hungry, whereas by the end of > last year almost 8% were suffering.
Wasn't this the same Manchester Guardian whose left-leaning editorialists were telling us that all those Iraqi babies were starving to death due to UN sanctions back in 1998? Funny how the "facts" change to fit the lefties agenda...
Dan Clore
2005-04-14 00:20:11 EST
Stan de SD wrote: > "Dan Clore" <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote in message > news:425DB237.2040700@columbia-center.org...
>>It now appears that, far from improving the quality of life >>for Iraqi youngsters, the US-led military assault on Iraq >>has inexplicably doubled the number of children under five >>suffering from malnutrition. Under Saddam, about 4% of >>children under five were going hungry, whereas by the end of >>last year almost 8% were suffering. > > Wasn't this the same Manchester Guardian whose left-leaning editorialists > were telling us that all those Iraqi babies were starving to death due to UN > sanctions back in 1998? Funny how the "facts" change to fit the lefties > agenda...
As the Terry Jones article said in the next paragraph after the one quoted: "These results are even more disheartening for those of us in the Department of Making Things Better for Children in the Middle East By Military Force, since the previous attempts by Britain and America to improve the lot of Iraqi children also proved disappointing. For example, the policy of applying the most draconian sanctions in living memory totally failed to improve conditions. After they were imposed in 1990, the number of children under five who died increased by a factor of six. By 1995 something like half a million Iraqi children were dead as a result of our efforts to help them."
But then Stain's posts regularly reveal that he hasn't read the material he's responding to.
-- Dan Clore
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Stan De SD
2005-04-14 00:54:33 EST
"Dan Clore" <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote in message news:3c69bsF6kcvq8U1@individual.net... > Stan de SD wrote: > > "Dan Clore" <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote in message > > news:425DB237.2040700@columbia-center.org... > > >>It now appears that, far from improving the quality of life > >>for Iraqi youngsters, the US-led military assault on Iraq > >>has inexplicably doubled the number of children under five > >>suffering from malnutrition. Under Saddam, about 4% of > >>children under five were going hungry, whereas by the end of > >>last year almost 8% were suffering. > > > > Wasn't this the same Manchester Guardian whose left-leaning editorialists > > were telling us that all those Iraqi babies were starving to death due to UN > > sanctions back in 1998? Funny how the "facts" change to fit the lefties > > agenda... > > As the Terry Jones article said in the next paragraph after > the one quoted: "These results are even more disheartening > for those of us in the Department of Making Things Better > for Children in the Middle East By Military Force, since the > previous attempts by Britain and America to improve the lot > of Iraqi children also proved disappointing. For example, > the policy of applying the most draconian sanctions in > living memory totally failed to improve conditions. After > they were imposed in 1990, the number of children under five > who died increased by a factor of six. By 1995 something > like half a million Iraqi children were dead as a result of > our efforts to help them." > > But then Stain's posts regularly reveal that he hasn't read > the material he's responding to.
So thinks were great in 1990, got worse in 1995, even worse in 1998 allegedly due to the sanctions, but SUDDENLY GOT BETTER IN SPITE OF THE SAME SANCTIONS some time between 1998-2003, then got worse again?
Nobody believes that crap except for a bunch of hard-core ignorant lefties such as yourself.
Dan Clore
2005-04-14 01:05:26 EST
Stan de SD wrote: > "Dan Clore" <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote in message > news:3c69bsF6kcvq8U1@individual.net... >>Stan de SD wrote: >>>"Dan Clore" <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote in message >>>news:425DB237.2040700@columbia-center.org... >> >>>>It now appears that, far from improving the quality of life >>>>for Iraqi youngsters, the US-led military assault on Iraq >>>>has inexplicably doubled the number of children under five >>>>suffering from malnutrition. Under Saddam, about 4% of >>>>children under five were going hungry, whereas by the end of >>>>last year almost 8% were suffering. >>> >>>Wasn't this the same Manchester Guardian whose left-leaning > editorialists >>>were telling us that all those Iraqi babies were starving to death due > to UN >>>sanctions back in 1998? Funny how the "facts" change to fit the lefties >>>agenda... >> >>As the Terry Jones article said in the next paragraph after >>the one quoted: "These results are even more disheartening >>for those of us in the Department of Making Things Better >>for Children in the Middle East By Military Force, since the >>previous attempts by Britain and America to improve the lot >>of Iraqi children also proved disappointing. For example, >>the policy of applying the most draconian sanctions in >>living memory totally failed to improve conditions. After >>they were imposed in 1990, the number of children under five >>who died increased by a factor of six. By 1995 something >>like half a million Iraqi children were dead as a result of >>our efforts to help them." >> >>But then Stain's posts regularly reveal that he hasn't read >>the material he's responding to. > > So thinks were great in 1990, got worse in 1995, even worse in 1998 > allegedly due to the sanctions, but SUDDENLY GOT BETTER IN SPITE OF THE SAME > SANCTIONS some time between 1998-2003, then got worse again?
Where do you get this idea?
-- Dan Clore
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James A. Donald
2005-04-14 01:44:15 EST
-- Dan Clore > A report to the UN human rights commission in Geneva > has concluded that Iraqi children were actually better > off under Saddam Hussein than they are now.
That would be the human rights commission dominated by Syria and Cuba.
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Stan De SD
2005-04-14 03:01:25 EST
"Dan Clore" <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote in message news:3c6c0nF5dg1idU1@individual.net... > Stan de SD wrote: > > "Dan Clore" <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote in message > > news:3c69bsF6kcvq8U1@individual.net... > >>Stan de SD wrote: > >>>"Dan Clore" <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote in message > >>>news:425DB237.2040700@columbia-center.org... > >> > >>>>It now appears that, far from improving the quality of life > >>>>for Iraqi youngsters, the US-led military assault on Iraq > >>>>has inexplicably doubled the number of children under five > >>>>suffering from malnutrition. Under Saddam, about 4% of > >>>>children under five were going hungry, whereas by the end of > >>>>last year almost 8% were suffering. > >>> > >>>Wasn't this the same Manchester Guardian whose left-leaning > > editorialists > >>>were telling us that all those Iraqi babies were starving to death due > > to UN > >>>sanctions back in 1998? Funny how the "facts" change to fit the lefties > >>>agenda... > >> > >>As the Terry Jones article said in the next paragraph after > >>the one quoted: "These results are even more disheartening > >>for those of us in the Department of Making Things Better > >>for Children in the Middle East By Military Force, since the > >>previous attempts by Britain and America to improve the lot > >>of Iraqi children also proved disappointing. For example, > >>the policy of applying the most draconian sanctions in > >>living memory totally failed to improve conditions. After > >>they were imposed in 1990, the number of children under five > >>who died increased by a factor of six. By 1995 something > >>like half a million Iraqi children were dead as a result of > >>our efforts to help them." > >> > >>But then Stain's posts regularly reveal that he hasn't read > >>the material he's responding to. > > > > So thinks were great in 1990, got worse in 1995, even worse in 1998 > > allegedly due to the sanctions, but SUDDENLY GOT BETTER IN SPITE OF THE SAME > > SANCTIONS some time between 1998-2003, then got worse again? > > Where do you get this idea?
Just following from your "logic", Danny Boy...
Dan Clore
2005-04-14 03:24:46 EST
Stan de SD wrote: > "Dan Clore" <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote in message > news:3c6c0nF5dg1idU1@individual.net... >>Stan de SD wrote: >>>"Dan Clore" <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote in message >>>news:3c69bsF6kcvq8U1@individual.net... >>>>Stan de SD wrote: >>>>>"Dan Clore" <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote in message >>>>>news:425DB237.2040700@columbia-center.org...
>>>>>>It now appears that, far from improving the quality of life >>>>>>for Iraqi youngsters, the US-led military assault on Iraq >>>>>>has inexplicably doubled the number of children under five >>>>>>suffering from malnutrition. Under Saddam, about 4% of >>>>>>children under five were going hungry, whereas by the end of >>>>>>last year almost 8% were suffering. >>>>> >>>>>Wasn't this the same Manchester Guardian whose left-leaning >>>editorialists >>>>>were telling us that all those Iraqi babies were starving to death due >>>to UN >>>>>sanctions back in 1998? Funny how the "facts" change to fit the lefties >>>>>agenda... >>>> >>>>As the Terry Jones article said in the next paragraph after >>>>the one quoted: "These results are even more disheartening >>>>for those of us in the Department of Making Things Better >>>>for Children in the Middle East By Military Force, since the >>>>previous attempts by Britain and America to improve the lot >>>>of Iraqi children also proved disappointing. For example, >>>>the policy of applying the most draconian sanctions in >>>>living memory totally failed to improve conditions. After >>>>they were imposed in 1990, the number of children under five >>>>who died increased by a factor of six. By 1995 something >>>>like half a million Iraqi children were dead as a result of >>>>our efforts to help them." >>>> >>>>But then Stain's posts regularly reveal that he hasn't read >>>>the material he's responding to. >>> >>>So thinks were great in 1990, got worse in 1995, even worse in 1998 >>>allegedly due to the sanctions, but SUDDENLY GOT BETTER IN SPITE OF THE > SAME >>>SANCTIONS some time between 1998-2003, then got worse again? >> >>Where do you get this idea? > > Just following from your "logic", Danny Boy...
No, it does not, and it looks like you just made it up out of nothing.
-- Dan Clore
My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1587154838/thedanclorenecro/ Lord Weÿrdgliffe & Necronomicon Page: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/ News & Views for Anarchists & Activists: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
Strange pleasures are known to him who flaunts the immarcescible purple of poetry before the color-blind. -- Clark Ashton Smith, "Epigrams and Apothegms"
M J Carley
2005-04-14 05:35:26 EST
In the referenced article, James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> writes: > -- >Dan Clore >> A report to the UN human rights commission in Geneva >> has concluded that Iraqi children were actually better >> off under Saddam Hussein than they are now. > >That would be the human rights commission dominated by >Syria and Cuba.
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Syria and Cuba look fairly dominant alright. -- Differenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Home page: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/
Mike Combs
2005-04-14 14:02:20 EST
> Let Them Eat Bombs > The Doubling Of Child Malnutrition In Iraq Is Baffling > By Terry Jones > > Under Saddam, about 4% of > children under five were going hungry, whereas by the end of > last year almost 8% were suffering.
To argue that children are worse off immediately after a major war than immediately before it is not really all that difficult. The real issue is what will the situation be 5 or 10 years from now.
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