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Hank
2005-04-27 18:40:07 EST
One would think environmentalists would be concerned about population
growth in America via immigration. These fine folk claim population is
a world-wide problem. True. But pollution is a world-wide problem but
these groups, rightly so, fight polluters and pollution. Is it that
these groups, and I'm not using this term in a sexist manner, are just
"pussies" on the immigration problem? Comments.

will

I have read that a big Jewish contributor to the Sierra Club has
threatened to "cut-off" contributions if the SC comes out for
immgration control. Interestingly, Dave Brower, who "made" the SC, and
former Senator Gaylord Nelson, pioneer evironmentalists want total
immgration controls.

Wm James
2005-04-28 14:50:03 EST
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:40:07 -0500, Hank
<*s@mail.cybertrails.com> wrote:

>One would think environmentalists would be concerned about population
>growth in America via immigration. These fine folk claim population is
>a world-wide problem. True. But pollution is a world-wide problem but
>these groups, rightly so, fight polluters and pollution. Is it that
>these groups, and I'm not using this term in a sexist manner, are just
>"pussies" on the immigration problem? Comments.
>
>will
>
>I have read that a big Jewish contributor to the Sierra Club has
>threatened to "cut-off" contributions if the SC comes out for
>immgration control. Interestingly, Dave Brower, who "made" the SC, and
>former Senator Gaylord Nelson, pioneer evironmentalists want total
>immgration controls.

Immigration or invasion? The big problem now isn't immigrants,
immigrants come here legally to be americans. The problem is
criminals invading our border and bringing their culture with them to
impose on us. They are not immigrants, they are criminals and should
be treated as both criminals and enemy invaders.

William R. James


Roy. Just Roy.
2005-04-28 15:53:41 EST
> The problem is criminals invading
> our border and bringing their culture
> with them to impose on us.

Yes, God forbid we should have a foreign culture imposed on us! Why,
before you know it, honest, hard working Americans may be forced to
wear green on St. Patrick's Day, drink Coronas on Cinco de Mayo, and
eat meat stuffed in hard corn shells at Taco Bell! Why, the
supermarkets may someday become full of Oriental noodles and spaghetti
of all different varieties!

We must fight these nasty foreign influences! Americans, throw your
Molsons into the sea! Burn those Toyota dealerships to the ground!
Remember, EVEN YOUR NEIGHBOR COULD HAVE A BEATLES ALBUM!

Roy "God Bless" America


John
2005-04-28 17:25:35 EST
There are good reasons for opposing open borders and unrestricted
immigration, I think.
No matter whether it's "Third World" or not.

1. Continued immigration ensures that Americans are always fighting
over
race, religion and ethnicity -- rarely over social justice, control of
the corporations, etc.
So immigration has been a perpetual distraction in American politics,
from the time of the
"Know Nothing" Party to now.

2. Continued immigration is favored by the Wall Street Journal, which
is a good
reason to oppose it - if these guys like it, it can't be too good for
environmentalists,
labor unions, or the American people at large. In fact, the Wall
Street Journal
editorial page loves open immigration because the newcomers supposedly
bring
"entrepreneurial values" to the US. Ecch.

New immigrants, of course, also provide the corporations with cheap,
easily exploitable labor - which is used to depress wages and job
security for everyone else.

3. And continued immigration gives an organizing issue for people like
Hank, who as far as I
can tell is an open racist. Historically, one of the biggest periods
of growth in KKK membership in the US was during the 1920s, and it was
mostly in response to a recent immigrant surge.

So - one excellent reason for curbing immigration is because it evokes
the worst passions and worst habits among people who already are here.
People like Hank.

4. As far as anti-immigration racists go, though - they should go back
to where
their bigoted ancestors came from. Bavaria, Berlin, S. Africa, etc.
There's no good place for them in a
United States that is now 25% nonwhite. They should leave this
multi-racial country, if they can't love it. Maybe we could help them,
by giving Arizona back to Mexico.


Wm James
2005-04-28 18:31:01 EST
On 28 Apr 2005 12:53:41 -0700, "Roy. Just Roy." <delduck3@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>> The problem is criminals invading
>> our border and bringing their culture
>> with them to impose on us.
>
>Yes, God forbid we should have a foreign culture imposed on us! Why,
>before you know it, honest, hard working Americans may be forced to
>wear green on St. Patrick's Day, drink Coronas on Cinco de Mayo, and
>eat meat stuffed in hard corn shells at Taco Bell! Why, the
>supermarkets may someday become full of Oriental noodles and spaghetti
>of all different varieties!
>
>We must fight these nasty foreign influences! Americans, throw your
>Molsons into the sea! Burn those Toyota dealerships to the ground!
>Remember, EVEN YOUR NEIGHBOR COULD HAVE A BEATLES ALBUM!
>
>Roy "God Bless" America

Interesting that you had to snip to argue, isn't it?

I said:
Immigration or invasion? The big problem now isn't immigrants,
immigrants come here legally to be americans. The problem is
criminals invading our border and bringing their culture with them to
impose on us. They are not immigrants, they are criminals and should
be treated as both criminals and enemy invaders.

There's nothing wrong with people bringing new ideas, new foods, new
tools, etc. But the criminals who bring their culture here and expect
us to adopt their ways cater to them in their language, and waste our
money and time fitting into their culture, all while their simply
being here is a crime, should be put on a chain gang for a few years
to repay the costs of dealing with them and processing them and
deporting them.

And btw, the Beatles didn't come here illegally, and didn't demand we
learn british. :)

William R. James


R Philip Dowds
2005-04-28 20:09:47 EST
Wm James wrote:

...

>
>
> Interesting that you had to snip to argue, isn't it?
>
> I said:
> Immigration or invasion? The big problem now isn't immigrants,
> immigrants come here legally to be americans. The problem is
> criminals invading our border and bringing their culture with them to
> impose on us. They are not immigrants, they are criminals and should
> be treated as both criminals and enemy invaders.
>
> There's nothing wrong with people bringing new ideas, new foods, new
> tools, etc. But the criminals who bring their culture here and expect
> us to adopt their ways cater to them in their language, and waste our
> money and time fitting into their culture, all while their simply
> being here is a crime, should be put on a chain gang for a few years
> to repay the costs of dealing with them and processing them and
> deporting them.
>
> And btw, the Beatles didn't come here illegally, and didn't demand we
> learn british. :)
>
> William R. James
>

Well, OK, we're all in agreement: Legal immigrants are fine, but
illegal immigrants are a problem. Clearly, Congress should pass a law
against illegal immigrants.

RPD / Cambridge
Facts can be your friends if you treat them right.


Roy. Just Roy.
2005-04-28 20:34:27 EST
> Interesting that you had to snip to argue, isn't it?

I wanted to spare the readers the pain of reading your post twice.

> But the criminals [...] should be put on a chain gang for a few years
> to repay the costs of dealing with them and processing them and
> deporting them.

That is where I - and the law - disagree. It's fun to step up on your
red, white and blue soapbox and say, "Let's lock up the Frito Bandito.
We're Amerikkka - we'll do what we want"

But you forget - illegals are, by definition, NOT our citizens. We are
NOT at war with Mexico. If Iran were to, say, take some of our embassy
personnel prisoner, Bush would invade in a heartbeat. What right do we
have to sentence people not under the jurisdiction of our nation's laws
to forced labor?

If ANY American citizen feels that their job has been usurped by an
illegal, all he or she has to do is pick up a phone and call their
local INS office. The businesses that harbor or hire illegals already
risk stiff fines for paying illegals.

If you want to see further control of immigration, support more funding
for the Border Patrol. That's their job. But nobody ever posts that -
all I see is just another witch hunt to cover up the fact that the
Republicans are spending us $6 billion further in the hole every day
with pointless wars and needless military bases overseas. Wtf are we
even in Germany any more? The Cold War is over, people - get the memo,
already. But of course it's not Bush's fault - it's all the Mexicans
going to our schools that are bankrupting us. Pfeh.

/Roy


RJ
2005-04-29 00:56:42 EST
Roy. Just Roy. <delduck3@yahoo.com> wrote:

> If ANY American citizen feels that their job has been usurped by an
> illegal, all he or she has to do is pick up a phone and call their
> local INS office. The businesses that harbor or hire illegals already
> risk stiff fines for paying illegals.

Yeah, that will work.

Wm James
2005-04-29 12:36:04 EST
On 28 Apr 2005 17:34:27 -0700, "Roy. Just Roy." <delduck3@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>> Interesting that you had to snip to argue, isn't it?
>
>I wanted to spare the readers the pain of reading your post twice.
>
>> But the criminals [...] should be put on a chain gang for a few years
>> to repay the costs of dealing with them and processing them and
>> deporting them.
>
>That is where I - and the law - disagree. It's fun to step up on your
>red, white and blue soapbox and say, "Let's lock up the Frito Bandito.
>We're Amerikkka - we'll do what we want"

Polly want a cracker? If you are so opposed to the KKK that you feel
so compelled to type it so so much, why aren't you protesting
Democratic Senator Robert Byrd?

>But you forget - illegals are, by definition, NOT our citizens. We are
>NOT at war with Mexico.

Wrong. Mexico has for years considered the SW US territory stolen
from them and they want it back. The government of Mexico actively
participates in engoraging and assisting the criminals in the
invasion.

>If Iran were to, say, take some of our embassy
>personnel prisoner, Bush would invade in a heartbeat. What right do we
>have to sentence people not under the jurisdiction of our nation's laws
>to forced labor?

What? If the criminals are caught on US soil illegally, then they ARE
under the jurisdiction of our nation's laws. Deportation doesn't mean
much, they just come back before the INS agent finishes the paperwork.
They do it because the consequences are too smal and they can make
money to send back to Mexico. If the first offence were say five
years on a chain gang, then they would earn their keep and send
nothing back to Mexico for those five years, and they couldn't breed
more criminals, and the experience would make the secund offence
punishablt by ten years on the chain gang much less attractive.

>If ANY American citizen feels that their job has been usurped by an
>illegal, all he or she has to do is pick up a phone and call their
>local INS office. The businesses that harbor or hire illegals already
>risk stiff fines for paying illegals.

Low risk and such reports are routinely ignored. Anyone knowingly
hiring criminal invaders should join them on the chain gang.

>If you want to see further control of immigration, support more funding
>for the Border Patrol. That's their job. But nobody ever posts that -

They aren't doing their job. Not that it's necessarily their fault.
They are way understaffed.

>all I see is just another witch hunt to cover up the fact that the
>Republicans are spending us $6 billion further in the hole every day
>with pointless wars and needless military bases overseas.

Polly want a cracker? Just can't stick to the topic, can you? Run out
of lines so quickly?

>Wtf are we
>even in Germany any more? The Cold War is over, people - get the memo,
>already.

Agreed. We should exit the socialist cesspools of Western Europe and
concentrate our bases in the mid east.

>But of course it's not Bush's fault - it's all the Mexicans
>going to our schools that are bankrupting us. Pfeh.
>
>/Roy

They are doing just that in the SW US and more.

William R. James


Roy. Just Roy.
2005-04-29 18:51:53 EST
> If the criminals are caught on US soil illegally, then they ARE
under the jurisdiction of our nation's laws.

Just so we have a common frame of reference, what law are they
breaking, exactly? Please cite code and/or regulation. Certainly just
being on our soil is not a crime, or else your chain gang would apply
to all foreign nationals, correct?

> they can make
money to send back to Mexico

So it's ok to ship billions to Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Afghanistan to
keep our SUVs running, but not a few million to Mexico to feed peasant
families? Wow, your logic defies understanding.

> the first offence were say five
years on a chain gang

5 years in prison for picking cabbages? You must really hate cabbages.
I suppose that, because they're not American citizens, we shouldn't
bother with all that right to a lawyer or trial or other needless
liberal stuff.

If illegals are, as you say, subject to our laws, then they ipso facto
must also be protected by our rights. I suggest you review the 8th
Amendment to the Constitution again.

> Just can't stick to the topic, can you?

On the contrary, I am dead on topic. The racists' main point is that
our economy is being ruined by migrant labor. I presented an alternate,
more plausible theory.

> We should exit the socialist cesspools of Western Europe

Polly want a cracker, Rush?

/Roy

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