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I*@economicdemocracy.org
2005-06-29 13:47:36 EST
"..So I believed all along that this invasion was unnecessary and that
there was some other agenda behind it besides keeping America safe.

"And when the Downing Street memos came out, and I read them, I just
thought, "Well, this confirms my suspicion that this invasion was
premeditated and prefabricated for a different agenda."

"And it looks like my son's murder and the murder of almost 1,800 other
Americans and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis whose only crime is
that they were born in Iraq at the wrong time, are dead -- are dead for
the agenda of the neo-con war machine." -Cindy Sheehan. Her son Casey
was killed in Iraq in April 2004. She is the co-founder of Gold Star
Families for Peace.

"You know, it's particularly insulting to me to hear [Bush] talk about
those deaths when this country, and this administration has more than
any previous administration and more than any other country in the
world that has lost soldiers in Iraq, has refused to show proper
respect for those dead soldiers and for those losses. He has attended
to date no funerals -- George Bush or Dick Cheney. They refuse to
acknowledge the real cost of their decisions.."
-Retired Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski.

Wednesday, June 29th, 2005

Mother of Soldier Killed in Iraq: "The Best Way To Honor My Son's Death
Would Be To Bring The Troops Home"

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As President Bush refuses to set a timetable for the withdrawal of
troops from Iraq, we speak with Cindy Sheehan, her son, Casey, was
killed in Iraq in 2004. Sheehan calls on President Bush to withdraw the
over 130,000 troops from Iraq and for Congress to investigate the
Downing Street minutes.

[includes rush transcript - partial]

* Cindy Sheehan, Her son Casey was killed in Iraq in April 2004.
She is the co-founder of Gold Star Families for Peace.

RUSH TRANSCRIPT

AMY GOODMAN: President Bush also directly addressed service men and
women and their families. He told them that the best way to honor those
who have died in the war is to keep fighting. He seemed to acknowledge
the falling army recruitment rates by putting a in a plug for military
service.

PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: To the soldiers in this hall and our
service men and women across the globe, I thank you for your courage
under fire and your service to our nation. I thank our military
families. The burden of war falls especially hard on you. In this war,
we have lost good men and women who left our shores to defend freedom
and did not live to make the journey home. I've met with families
grieving the loss of loved ones who were taken from us too soon. I've
been inspired by their strength in the face of such great loss. We pray
for the families, and the best way to honor the lives that have been
given in this struggle is to complete the mission. I thank those of you
who have re-enlisted in an hour when your country needs you. And to
those watching tonight who are considering a military career, there is
no higher calling than service in our armed forces.

AMY GOODMAN: President Bush, speaking at Fort Bragg. In our studio in
Washington D. C., Cindy Sheehan, her son Casey killed in Iraq in April
2004, co-founder of Gold Star Families for Peace. Welcome to Democracy
Now! It's great to have you with us.

CINDY SHEEHAN: Hi, Amy. Thank you. It's nice to be here.

AMY GOODMAN: Your response to President Bush addressing U.S. service
men and women and what his message was.

CINDY SHEEHAN: Well, first of all, I think the best way to honor my
son's death would be to bring the troops home, and that's what we in
Gold Star Families want our children to be remembered for: peace and
not war and hatred. For him to use my son's blood to continue the
killing, to me, is despicable. I don't want one more drop of blood
spilled in my son's name or in my name. We never should have been there
in the first place. It was a mistake. It was a mistake when we invaded.
It's a mistake now, and I want my son's sacrifice and the sacrifices
of the other brave Americans to stand for peace and to bring peace to
the world and not to spread more hate. You know, he said that my son
died to spread freedom and democracy in that region. We're spreading
imperialism and death and destruction everywhere we go. And, no, not
one more drop of blood in my son's name or the names of any other of
our brave young people who have made the ultimate sacrifice for
basically nothing.

AMY GOODMAN: Cindy, what were your feelings when your son Casey went to
Iraq? Are they the same as now? And what were Casey's feelings about
the invasion and occupation?

CINDY SHEEHAN: Right. Our family was against it from the beginning.
Casey was against it, but he felt it was his duty to go because he was
in the Army. And he felt that he had to go to protect his buddies, to
be there for his buddies, to be support, and they are brainwashed into
thinking that even if they don't agree with the mission, they're
brainwashed into just blindly following it. I begged Casey not to go. I
told him I would take him to Canada. I told him I would run over him
with a car, anything to get him not to go to that immoral war. And he
said, "Mom, I wish I didn't have to, but I have to go."

AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Cindy Sheehan, she lost her son Casey in
Iraq. How did Casey die? What was the mission he died on?

CINDY SHEEHAN: We were told that he was going to rescue a group of
soldiers that had been ambushed on April 4th in Sadr City, Baghdad. It
was when L. Paul Bremer inflamed the Shiite militia into rebellion,
first in Fallujah, then it spread to Sadr City, which is a Shiite slum
in Baghdad. And so we were told he volunteered to go rescue a group of
soldiers that had been ambushed, and on the way there, his convoy was
ambushed, and seven soldiers were killed in that ambush.

AMY GOODMAN: Cindy Sheehan, there was no mention last night at the Fort
Bragg speech of the Downing Street minutes, the minutes that were taken
July 23, 2002, before the invasion, of a meeting of Prime Minister Tony
Blair and his top advisors, saying that the U.S. was fixing the facts
and intelligence around the policy to go to war. But you were at the
hearing on the Hill in the Capitol, even if it was in the basement,
that was held by Congressman Conyers. Of the significance of these
minutes, can you talk about that?

CINDY SHEEHAN: Well, like I said, we didn't agree with the war, we
didn't agree with the invasion of Iraq. It looked like we were rushing
into something that was unnecessary. You know, it was not necessary to
protect America. And I could see that the sanctions were working. We
had years of devastating sanctions against Iraq. The U.N. weapon
inspectors were saying there were no weapons of mass destruction. So I
believed all along that this invasion was unnecessary and that there
was some other agenda behind it besides keeping America safe.

And when the Downing Street memos came out, and I read them, I just
thought, "Well, this confirms my suspicion that this invasion was
premeditated and prefabricated for a different agenda." And it looks
like my son's murder and the murder of almost 1,800 other Americans and
tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis whose only crime is that they were
born in Iraq at the wrong time, are dead -- are dead for the agenda of
the neo-con war machine.

I really think that somebody in our government needs to be held
accountable, and just because George Bush gets up and tells us that
things are getting better, they're not getting better, and he needs to
present some kind of facts to back up his position, and he needs to
answer the Congressmen. I think it's 128 Congress people have signed
John Conyers's letter asking for explanation into this Downing Street
memo, and it needs to be investigated. Congress needs to do it's
Constitutional duty for once and investigate the memo because we
families that have paid the ultimate price, who will be grieving and
mourning and in pain for the rest of our lives, we deserve to know the
truth.

AMY GOODMAN: Karen Kwiatkowski of the Pentagon, retired Lieutenant
Colonel, you have written about how the Pentagon has suppressed
information and twisted the truth to drive the country to war. What
about the Downing Street memo? Does this fit into the picture? Were you
surprised by this particular meeting and the documents that have come
out that?

LT. COL. KAREN KWIATKOWSKI: No, not surprised. Very much like Cindy
said, it confirmed things that I witnessed that I didn't understand at
the time. This intention to go to war, this decision, this very early
decision, possibly as early as 2001 or before, this we were unaware of.
But seeing that the decision had been made, and I think the Downing
Street memoranda show that very clearly, the position of the
administration long before the American people were ever notified of
any kind of threat or rationale for going into Iraq, knowing that that
existed explains a whole lot of what I saw and it makes sense, and even
things that I haven't written about, things that I just saw and that
folks in the Pentagon like me, probably thousands of them, saw and did
not at the time understand. This war plan was engaged and operational
long before many people, even insiders, understood, and it was engaged
for a reason.

And George Bush, in his latest speech -- every time he gives a speech,
in fact, I listen to see if he will explain why we are in Iraq. And
every time I hear him give a speech, I'm disappointed. He never
explains why we're there. He makes up stories, as he did, you know, in
last night's speech, very clearly untrue in many, many ways, and he
doesn't address why our young men and women are dying. You know, it's
particularly insulting to me to hear him talk about those deaths when
this country, and this administration has more than any previous
administration and more than any other country in the world that has
lost soldiers in Iraq, has refused to show proper respect for those
dead soldiers and for those losses. He has attended to date no funerals
-- George Bush or Dick Cheney. They refuse to acknowledge the real cost
of their decisions. This is particularly insulting for him to use their
deaths and to somehow, you know, wave this flag, when he himself by his
own actions does not care about these deaths.

AMY GOODMAN: Karen Kwiatkowski is a retired Lieutenant Colonel speaking
to us from West Virginia, worked in the Pentagon, the office that
oversaw the Office of Special Plans. Douglas Feith ran that. Also, in
our Washington D.C. studio, Cindy Sheehan, mother of Casey, who was a
U.S. soldier who died in Iraq last year.

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BlackWater
2005-06-29 17:55:14 EST
Um ......... No. They're still needed where they are - and
I suspect your dead son would have said the same.

J*@yahoo.com
2005-06-29 17:58:01 EST


BlackWater wrote:
> Um ......... No. They're still needed where they are - and
> I suspect your dead son would have said the same.

Yeah, without a plan and more support, we can kill more Americans in
the name of lies and incompetence.

Good idea, shithead.

Why aren't you there?

And , you know, come up with a solution.

You know, since Bush needs one and all......


BlackWater
2005-06-29 18:14:42 EST
On 29 Jun 2005 14:58:01 -0700, jim_rosertic@yahoo.com wrote:

>BlackWater wrote:
>> Um ......... No. They're still needed where they are - and
>> I suspect your dead son would have said the same.
>
>Yeah, without a plan and more support, we can kill more Americans in
>the name of lies and incompetence.

Wasn't that LBJs line ... ?


J*@yahoo.com
2005-06-29 18:23:37 EST


BlackWater wrote:
> On 29 Jun 2005 14:58:01 -0700, jim_rosertic@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >BlackWater wrote:
> >> Um ......... No. They're still needed where they are - and
> >> I suspect your dead son would have said the same.
> >
> >Yeah, without a plan and more support, we can kill more Americans in
> >the name of lies and incompetence.
>
> Wasn't that LBJs line ... ?

No, it's Bush's philosophy.

What?

You don't get it?


Defendario
2005-06-29 18:56:20 EST
jim_rosertic@yahoo.com wrote:

>
> BlackWater wrote:
>
>>Um ......... No. They're still needed where they are - and
>>I suspect your dead son would have said the same.
>
>
> Yeah, without a plan and more support, we can kill more Americans in
> the name of lies and incompetence.
>

Hammer ==> Nail

> Good idea, shithead.
>

BW occasionally shows sense, but he's been a bit stupefied lately.

> Why aren't you there?
>

The usual. Too old, too sick, other priorities... LOL! :-)

> And , you know, come up with a solution.
>
> You know, since Bush needs one and all......
>

Bush had a plan to get out of Vietnam...

;D

>


L Alpert
2005-06-29 22:25:51 EST
BlackWater wrote:
> Um ......... No. They're still needed where they are - and
> I suspect your dead son would have said the same.

Well, it seems we will never have the opportunity to know if your
postulation is correct.




Wm James
2005-06-30 10:20:02 EST
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:25:51 -0700, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
wrote:

>BlackWater wrote:
>> Um ......... No. They're still needed where they are - and
>> I suspect your dead son would have said the same.
>
>Well, it seems we will never have the opportunity to know if your
>postulation is correct.

What is absolutely certian is that if we pull out before the job is
finished, then he died for nothing and many more will die in the Iriqi
civil war and when the next dictator "purges" all his opposition, and
most likely more americans too when we have to go in next time. And
certianly more americans will die when the other thugs, dictators, and
terrorist groups see the US cut and run and that killing americans
works. That's what the remnants of the democratic party want. The
rational democrats have abandoned the ship and all that's left are
those eager for americans and iraqis and others to die, those wetting
their pants in gleeful anticipation of needless bloodshed and total
failure of american troops, all just because they hope it will make
Bush look bad and somehow convince enough voters to return them to
power. It's shameful.

William R. James


Homer
2005-06-30 10:35:25 EST


Wm James wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:25:51 -0700, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >BlackWater wrote:
> >> Um ......... No. They're still needed where they are - and
> >> I suspect your dead son would have said the same.
> >
> >Well, it seems we will never have the opportunity to know if your
> >postulation is correct.
>
> What is absolutely certian is that if we pull out before the job is
> finished, then he died for nothing and many more will die in the Iriqi
> civil war and when the next dictator "purges" all his opposition, and
> most likely more americans too when we have to go in next time. And
> certianly more americans will die when the other thugs, dictators, and
> terrorist groups see the US cut and run and that killing americans
> works. That's what the remnants of the democratic party want. The
> rational democrats have abandoned the ship and all that's left are
> those eager for americans and iraqis and others to die, those wetting
> their pants in gleeful anticipation of needless bloodshed and total
> failure of american troops, all just because they hope it will make
> Bush look bad and somehow convince enough voters to return them to
> power. It's shameful.
>
> William R. James

Um, Bill, this is garbage and you know it.

Who tells you this, the great Republican think tanks?

What most people want is a solution to the the crisis in Iraq, so
needless deaths are prevented.

What is the point of sending soldiers and money into the arnarchy of
Bush's making, when a plan could be formulated making the best use of
these resources?

You understand the difference?

I think most Americans do..........


Wm James
2005-06-30 21:55:03 EST
On 30 Jun 2005 07:35:25 -0700, "Homer" <homer_raulks@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
>Wm James wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:25:51 -0700, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >BlackWater wrote:
>> >> Um ......... No. They're still needed where they are - and
>> >> I suspect your dead son would have said the same.
>> >
>> >Well, it seems we will never have the opportunity to know if your
>> >postulation is correct.
>>
>> What is absolutely certian is that if we pull out before the job is
>> finished, then he died for nothing and many more will die in the Iriqi
>> civil war and when the next dictator "purges" all his opposition, and
>> most likely more americans too when we have to go in next time. And
>> certianly more americans will die when the other thugs, dictators, and
>> terrorist groups see the US cut and run and that killing americans
>> works. That's what the remnants of the democratic party want. The
>> rational democrats have abandoned the ship and all that's left are
>> those eager for americans and iraqis and others to die, those wetting
>> their pants in gleeful anticipation of needless bloodshed and total
>> failure of american troops, all just because they hope it will make
>> Bush look bad and somehow convince enough voters to return them to
>> power. It's shameful.
>>
>> William R. James
>
>Um, Bill, this is garbage and you know it.

No, the garbage is coming from parrots like you who put your precious
party's power abuve the country and don't care how many americans and
others die so you can have bad news to whine about.

>Who tells you this, the great Republican think tanks?

Unlike you, I have no use for either of the two socialist parties and
I don't care what either of them think. But keep own parroting that
BS, keep on claiming that anyone who noticed your antiamerican
nonsense is somehow supportive of the twin of your party of sleaze.
party.

>What most people want is a solution to the the crisis in Iraq, so
>needless deaths are prevented.

Most people have enough neurons to know that any solution that doesn't
fix the problem is no solution. Even idiots can comprehend that
pulling out of Iraq will just help the terrorists. But that's what you
want, isn't it? A huge terrorist victory, a few more 9-11s, perhaps a
milllion americans dead, that would look great come election day when
you can blame the other side of your two headed socialist party, huh?
What "solutions" have you proposed? Since Gore lost the election all
you've done is bitch and moan and whine and call the USA evil nazis
and you haven't proposed fixing anything. Whining about any actions
of those trying to fix something isn't similar to proposeing any
solutions yourself. And the reason is obvious! You don't want
anything fixed, you just want everything to get worse so you can blame
the whores in the other party and get your own whore elected back into
power. The people of the country see that, and that's why every
election you lose more seats to the other whores. And that will
continue even more now that your pet scumbags have sunk to this level.

>What is the point of sending soldiers and money into the arnarchy of
>Bush's making, when a plan could be formulated making the best use of
>these resources?

What plan? No matter what the current administration does, all you
parrots will do is whine about it, make up lies about it, look for any
little thing you can find to pronounce it a failure, and do everything
you possibly can to make it fail so you can blame the other party for
the failure. You have no plans other than failure, because failure is
all you want.

>You understand the difference?
>
>I think most Americans do..........

See above. Most americans see who is attacking them, who is drooling
over the though of body bags helping them get their power to
overregulate and raise taxes back, they see who is supporting the
troops and who is degrading them. They see who is fighting against
the terrorists and who is helping them. They see who has a history of
whining about human rights but is standing up for murderous dictators
and comparing the US soldiers to nazis, and who is actually trying
(even if potentially futilly) to bring freedom to people long
oppressed. And they will vote accordingly.

William R. James
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