check out this pdf of anwr http://www.anwr.org/docs/CloseupofareaIII.pdf
Remember:More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than have died in United States Commercial Nuclear Power plant operations visit my web site at http://www.info-quest.org Visit my energy page at http://www.info-quest.org/Energy.html Check out the latest on the anwr drilling project http://www.anwr.org visit my blog at http://info-spectrum.blogspot.com My ICQ# is 79071904 See the Pledge of alleginace to the flag that the 9th circuit court of appeals doesn't want you to say. for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.info-quest.org/Enumerated.html
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
2005-07-31 14:13:21 EST
On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:35:54 -0400, "William A. Bacon" <*n@voicenet.com> wrote:
>check out this pdf of anwr >http://www.anwr.org/docs/CloseupofareaIII.pdf
God forbid we should leave any part of the Earth in its natural state.
Nature - is a horrible thing.
> > > > >Remember:More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than have died in >United States Commercial Nuclear Power plant operations > visit my web site at >http://www.info-quest.org >Visit my energy page at http://www.info-quest.org/Energy.html >Check out the latest on the anwr drilling project http://www.anwr.org >visit my blog at >http://info-spectrum.blogspot.com > My ICQ# is 79071904 >See the Pledge of alleginace to the flag that the 9th circuit court of >appeals doesn't want you to say. >for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: >http://www.info-quest.org/Enumerated.html
Name Redacted
2005-07-31 15:09:01 EST
William A. Bacon wrote: > check out this pdf of anwr
I think you are misrepresenting the situation. Please show ***WHERE*** they plan to drill, the ecologically vital areas, proposed roadways, the time needed nature needs to recover areas affected by drilling. Oh, and hey, what it's gonna cost and who will pay those costs: oil companies or taxpayers?
It's like the estimated costs of making our seaports safe. It's not the importers who are com ing up with the cash, Bush is making taxpayers pay.
> http://www.anwr.org/docs/CloseupofareaIII.pdf > > > > > Remember:More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than have died in > United States Commercial Nuclear Power plant operations > visit my web site at > http://www.info-quest.org > Visit my energy page at http://www.info-quest.org/Energy.html > Check out the latest on the anwr drilling project http://www.anwr.org > visit my blog at > http://info-spectrum.blogspot.com > My ICQ# is 79071904 > See the Pledge of alleginace to the flag that the 9th circuit court of > appeals doesn't want you to say. > for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: > http://www.info-quest.org/Enumerated.html
Bill Bonde 'by A Commodius Vicus Of Recirculation'
2005-07-31 15:25:14 EST
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." wrote: > > On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:35:54 -0400, "William A. Bacon" > <wbacon@voicenet.com> wrote: > > >check out this pdf of anwr > >http://www.anwr.org/docs/CloseupofareaIII.pdf > > God forbid we should leave any part of the Earth in its natural state. > > Nature - is a horrible thing. > Why not get at the oil underneath ANWR and leave the surface in its natural state?
-- "And he did bring them. It took a number of years, but one by one he brought them here. Except for his father, that old man died where he was born." -+ "Elia Kazan, "America, America"
Bill Bonde 'by A Commodius Vicus Of Recirculation'
2005-07-31 15:27:00 EST
Name Redacted wrote: > > William A. Bacon wrote: > > check out this pdf of anwr > > I think you are misrepresenting the situation. Please show ***WHERE*** > they plan to drill, the ecologically vital areas, proposed roadways, > the time needed nature needs to recover areas affected by drilling. Oh, > and hey, what it's gonna cost and who will pay those costs: oil > companies or taxpayers? > > It's like the estimated costs of making our seaports safe. It's not > the importers who are com ing up with the cash, Bush is making > taxpayers pay. > Who should pay to make seaports safe?
-- "And he did bring them. It took a number of years, but one by one he brought them here. Except for his father, that old man died where he was born." -+ "Elia Kazan, "America, America"
Name Redacted
2005-07-31 16:00:05 EST
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote: > Name Redacted wrote: > > > > William A. Bacon wrote: > > > check out this pdf of anwr > > > > I think you are misrepresenting the situation. Please show ***WHERE*** > > they plan to drill, the ecologically vital areas, proposed roadways, > > the time needed nature needs to recover areas affected by drilling. Oh, > > and hey, what it's gonna cost and who will pay those costs: oil > > companies or taxpayers? > > > > It's like the estimated costs of making our seaports safe. It's not > > the importers who are com ing up with the cash, Bush is making > > taxpayers pay. > > > Who should pay to make seaports safe?
Importers, it's part of the cost of their products. Exporters don't create saftey problems.
> > > -- > "And he did bring them. It took a number of years, but one by one he > brought them here. Except for his father, that old man died where he was > born." -+ "Elia Kazan, "America, America"
Douglas Berry
2005-07-31 16:22:53 EST
On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:25:14 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <spaceghoast@coasttocoast.co.uk> drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.conspiracy beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following > > >"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." wrote: >> >> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:35:54 -0400, "William A. Bacon" >> <wbacon@voicenet.com> wrote: >> >> >check out this pdf of anwr >> >http://www.anwr.org/docs/CloseupofareaIII.pdf >> >> God forbid we should leave any part of the Earth in its natural state. >> >> Nature - is a horrible thing. >> >Why not get at the oil underneath ANWR and leave the surface in its >natural state?
Explain to me how you will accomplish this miracle. In detail, please.
How exactly are you doing to reach oil deposits several hundred feet below the tundra without massive drilling operations? Along with the pumping, pipelines, power, and basic support for the workers? This will require roads, power plants, and all the assoiated pollution.
Tell me how you are going to handle the garbage produced while leaving the surface in its natural state. --
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
Bill Bonde 'by A Commodius Vicus Of Recirculation'
2005-07-31 16:56:46 EST
Douglas Berry wrote: > > On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:25:14 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus > of recirculation')" <spaceghoast@coasttocoast.co.uk> drained his > beer, leaned back in the alt.conspiracy beanbag and drunkenly > proclaimed the following > > > > > >"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." wrote: > >> > >> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:35:54 -0400, "William A. Bacon" > >> <wbacon@voicenet.com> wrote: > >> > >> >check out this pdf of anwr > >> >http://www.anwr.org/docs/CloseupofareaIII.pdf > >> > >> God forbid we should leave any part of the Earth in its natural state. > >> > >> Nature - is a horrible thing. > >> > >Why not get at the oil underneath ANWR and leave the surface in its > >natural state? > > Explain to me how you will accomplish this miracle. In detail, > please. > Start out with something called "horizontal drilling": http://www.geology.wisc.edu/courses/g115/oil/4.html
> How exactly are you doing to reach oil deposits several hundred feet > below the tundra without massive drilling operations? Along with the > pumping, pipelines, power, and basic support for the workers? This > will require roads, power plants, and all the assoiated pollution. > But the pipeline from the North Slope down South doesn't do that. There's the Haul road and there's the pipeline and there's some pump stations. Animals still live in the area and more importantly cross over it.
> Tell me how you are going to handle the garbage produced while leaving > the surface in its natural state. > Waste can be removed from the drilling pads.
-- "And he did bring them. It took a number of years, but one by one he brought them here. Except for his father, that old man died where he was born." -+ "Elia Kazan, "America, America"
Bill Bonde 'by A Commodius Vicus Of Recirculation'
2005-07-31 16:59:54 EST
Name Redacted wrote: > > Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote: > > Name Redacted wrote: > > > > > > William A. Bacon wrote: > > > > check out this pdf of anwr > > > > > > I think you are misrepresenting the situation. Please show ***WHERE*** > > > they plan to drill, the ecologically vital areas, proposed roadways, > > > the time needed nature needs to recover areas affected by drilling. Oh, > > > and hey, what it's gonna cost and who will pay those costs: oil > > > companies or taxpayers? > > > > > > It's like the estimated costs of making our seaports safe. It's not > > > the importers who are com ing up with the cash, Bush is making > > > taxpayers pay. > > > > > Who should pay to make seaports safe? > > Importers, it's part of the cost of their products. Exporters don't > create saftey problems. > Won't this create a problem for exporters due to retaliation?
-- "And he did bring them. It took a number of years, but one by one he brought them here. Except for his father, that old man died where he was born." -+ "Elia Kazan, "America, America"
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
2005-07-31 18:43:44 EST
On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:25:14 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <spaceghoast@coasttocoast.co.uk> wrote:
> > >"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." wrote: >> >> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:35:54 -0400, "William A. Bacon" >> <wbacon@voicenet.com> wrote: >> >> >check out this pdf of anwr >> >http://www.anwr.org/docs/CloseupofareaIII.pdf >> >> God forbid we should leave any part of the Earth in its natural state. >> >> Nature - is a horrible thing. >> >Why not get at the oil underneath ANWR and leave the surface in its >natural state?
My problem with that is similar to my problem with solutions which require pigs to fly.