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Bully
2005-12-18 21:18:15 EST


Bully wrote:

> MDFranklin wrote:
>
>> I am assigned to write a paper on Noam Chomsky. Can anyone give me
>> some good
>> references? I have heard he was a Communist, and I've heard he was a
>> Socialist. Which was he and what's the difference? Thanks, MDF

I almost forgot- the difference between a Communist and Socialist is
only degree of state control. People will call themselves Socialist in
Europe to sound "better" and be accepted since communism was and always
has been such a failure. In the US they call themselves liberals or
progressive for the same reasons. The only time they would call
themselves Communists is when they have full control via state power
since they can fully suppress any dissenting voices.


>
> Sure!
>
> Try
> http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/21/may03/chomsky.htm
>
> http://www.wernercohn.com/Chomsky.html
>
> Enjoy

MDFranklin
2005-12-18 22:53:07 EST
Thank you, those references were very interesting and enlightening. Perhaps
you could clear up a question I have about the second one
(http://www.wernercohn.com/Chomsky.html) which talks about his
anti-Semitism.

1) I have a quote from him where he says he is a Zionist, I am unclear how
one can be a Zionist and an anti-Semite (or Holocaust denier). Can anyone
elaborate?

2) Also, in my own research I have come across areas where his linguistic
theories have come into question now, as well as if he were the sole author
of them?

Thanks, MDF



"Bully" <bully@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:HLopf.33895$XJ5.30240@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
>
> Bully wrote:
>
> > MDFranklin wrote:
> >
> >> I am assigned to write a paper on Noam Chomsky. Can anyone give me
> >> some good
> >> references? I have heard he was a Communist, and I've heard he was a
> >> Socialist. Which was he and what's the difference? Thanks, MDF
>
> I almost forgot- the difference between a Communist and Socialist is
> only degree of state control. People will call themselves Socialist in
> Europe to sound "better" and be accepted since communism was and always
> has been such a failure. In the US they call themselves liberals or
> progressive for the same reasons. The only time they would call
> themselves Communists is when they have full control via state power
> since they can fully suppress any dissenting voices.
>
>
> >
> > Sure!
> >
> > Try
> > http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/21/may03/chomsky.htm
> >
> > http://www.wernercohn.com/Chomsky.html
> >
> > Enjoy



Toby
2005-12-19 02:23:02 EST

"MDFranklin" <mdfranklin@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:D8qpf.7872$nm.2442@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Thank you, those references were very interesting and enlightening.
> Perhaps
> you could clear up a question I have about the second one
> (http://www.wernercohn.com/Chomsky.html) which talks about his
> anti-Semitism.
>
> 1) I have a quote from him where he says he is a Zionist, I am unclear how
> one can be a Zionist and an anti-Semite (or Holocaust denier). Can anyone
> elaborate?
>
> 2) Also, in my own research I have come across areas where his linguistic
> theories have come into question now, as well as if he were the sole
> author
> of them?

It's a broad subject with quite polarized voices on both sides. I suggest
you google "noam chomsky" and slog through what you find first, then come
back here with specific points that have not been answered in your reading.

Tpbu



Shannon Jacobs
2005-12-19 06:25:07 EST
A troll and his sock puppet are never parted. Excellent example:

Bully wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>
>> MDFranklin wrote:
>>
>>> I am assigned to write a paper on Noam Chomsky. Can anyone give me
>>> some good
>>> references? I have heard he was a Communist, and I've heard he was a
>>> Socialist. Which was he and what's the difference? Thanks, MDF
>
> I almost forgot- the difference between a Communist and Socialist is
> only degree of state control. People will call themselves Socialist in
> Europe to sound "better" and be accepted since communism was and
> always has been such a failure. In the US they call themselves
> liberals or progressive for the same reasons. The only time they
> would call themselves Communists is when they have full control via
> state power since they can fully suppress any dissenting voices.
>
>
>>
>> Sure!
>>
>> Try
<tripe links snip>
>>
>> Enjoy

--
The truth alone will not make you free. However, it is one of the
prerequisites. Unless you know the truths underlying your options, you
cannot choose in freedom, whether you're buying shaving cream or a war.
Busheviks are simply slaves to BushCo's lies.

Trolls fed to "The vile spewers of mindless blather thread" and/or
ploinked.

MDFranklin
2005-12-19 10:01:59 EST
Thanks, "Toby", I'm slogging right now. Please get on track. I've asked two
pointed questions for clarification that should be able to be answered by
someone here.


"Toby" <kymarto123@ybb.ne.jpp> wrote in message
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>
> "MDFranklin" <mdfranklin@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:D8qpf.7872$nm.2442@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > Thank you, those references were very interesting and enlightening.
> > Perhaps
> > you could clear up a question I have about the second one
> > (http://www.wernercohn.com/Chomsky.html) which talks about his
> > anti-Semitism.
> >
> > 1) I have a quote from him where he says he is a Zionist, I am unclear
how
> > one can be a Zionist and an anti-Semite (or Holocaust denier). Can
anyone
> > elaborate?
> >
> > 2) Also, in my own research I have come across areas where his
linguistic
> > theories have come into question now, as well as if he were the sole
> > author
> > of them?
>
> It's a broad subject with quite polarized voices on both sides. I suggest
> you google "noam chomsky" and slog through what you find first, then come
> back here with specific points that have not been answered in your
reading.
>
> Tpbu
>
>



The World Wide Wade
2005-12-19 20:06:58 EST
In article
<D8qpf.7872$nm.2442@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"MDFranklin" <mdfranklin@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Thank you, those references were very interesting and enlightening. Perhaps
> you could clear up a question I have about the second one
> (http://www.wernercohn.com/Chomsky.html) which talks about his
> anti-Semitism.

You might want to keep in mind that Werner Cohn is mad as a
hatter.

Toby
2005-12-20 00:45:08 EST

"MDFranklin" <mdfranklin@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:HXzpf.7933$nm.173@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Thanks, "Toby", I'm slogging right now. Please get on track. I've asked
> two
> pointed questions for clarification that should be able to be answered by
> someone here.

Check these out:

http://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2004/11/chomsky_and_hol.html

http://jidanni.org/abj/articles/20050130.html

Check out any of the copious references to the book "Partners in Hate:
Chomsky and the Holocaust Deniers"

The wikipedia entry is a good intro to his linguistic theories. Love them or
hate them, it is quite obvious that he has made seminal and original
contributions to the field.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky#Contributions_to_linguistics

Toby



Let Robeson Sing
2005-12-20 08:17:43 EST
Bully wrote:
>
>
> Bully wrote:
>
> > MDFranklin wrote:
> >
> >> I am assigned to write a paper on Noam Chomsky. Can anyone give me
> >> some good
> >> references? I have heard he was a Communist, and I've heard he was a
> >> Socialist. Which was he and what's the difference? Thanks, MDF
>
> I almost forgot- the difference between a Communist and Socialist is
> only degree of state control. People will call themselves Socialist in
> Europe to sound "better"

So people are scared of saying what they think in the US?. Same old,
same old.

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Bully
2005-12-20 15:10:57 EST
Shannon Jacobs wrote:

> A troll and his sock puppet are never parted. Excellent example:
>

The term troll is highly subjective. Some may characterize a post as
trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate
contribution, even if controversial. The term is often used to discredit
an opposing position, or its proponent, by argument ad hominem.

Thus, if you believe the opinions are wrong- explain why or just say I'm
wrong.

Note: posting to more than five groups is traditionally - right or
wrong- as an act of "trolling" behavior. What a conundrum of life -
where the mere act of accusing others as trolling becomes a act of
trolling. I'm sure this wasn't your intention.:)




> Bully wrote:
>
>> Bully wrote:
>>
>>> MDFranklin wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am assigned to write a paper on Noam Chomsky. Can anyone give me
>>>> some good
>>>> references? I have heard he was a Communist, and I've heard he was a
>>>> Socialist. Which was he and what's the difference? Thanks, MDF
>>
>>
>> I almost forgot- the difference between a Communist and Socialist is
>> only degree of state control. People will call themselves Socialist in
>> Europe to sound "better" and be accepted since communism was and
>> always has been such a failure. In the US they call themselves
>> liberals or progressive for the same reasons. The only time they
>> would call themselves Communists is when they have full control via
>> state power since they can fully suppress any dissenting voices.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Sure!
>>>
>>> Try
>
> <tripe links snip>
>
>>>
>>> Enjoy
>
>

Bully
2005-12-20 15:38:29 EST
Let Robeson Sing wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Bully wrote:
>>
>> > MDFranklin wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am assigned to write a paper on Noam Chomsky. Can anyone give me
>> >> some good
>> >> references? I have heard he was a Communist, and I've heard he was a
>> >> Socialist. Which was he and what's the difference? Thanks, MDF
>>
>> I almost forgot- the difference between a Communist and Socialist is
>> only degree of state control. People will call themselves Socialist in
>> Europe to sound "better"
>
>
> So people are scared of saying what they think in the US?. Same old,
> same old.
>

Not scared- just deceptive! Face it- in politics it is all about "spin"
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